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CountAllVotes

(21,419 posts)
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 10:33 PM Feb 14

I.R.S. Expected to Lay Off Thousands

Source: New York Times

The Internal Revenue Service is preparing to lay off thousands of employees as soon as next week, according to three people familiar with the matter, as the Trump administration pushes to dramatically shrink the size of the federal work force.

The Office of Personnel Management, the federal government’s human resources department, ordered agencies across the government this week to terminate probationary employees, who are relatively new to their positions and do not enjoy as much job protection. It was unclear on Friday exactly how many I.R.S. employees would be affected by the order.

An I.R.S. spokeswoman did not immediately respond to a request for comment nor did a spokesman for the Treasury Department.

A sudden drop in the number of employees at the I.R.S. could interfere with the agency’s work to process millions of Americans’ tax returns. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said in an interview with Bloomberg News last week that the department, which oversees the I.R.S., would limit changes until after tax season ends in the spring.


Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/14/us/politics/irs-layoffs.html



We need to FIGHT this, all of it!

NOW!

It might be a wise idea to file your income tax return as soon as you can IMO.



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I.R.S. Expected to Lay Off Thousands (Original Post) CountAllVotes Feb 14 OP
I agree Renew Deal Feb 14 #1
Some have received their refunds CountAllVotes Feb 14 #2
I heard originally that they were waiting until the tax season ends--that's June Lulu KC Feb 14 #3
Same thing I heard/read. I doubt anyone leaves for months Bengus81 Feb 15 #22
Except, apparently, the probationaries, who are probably mostly seasonal Lulu KC Feb 15 #27
This will enable the wealthy to hide monies and you middleclass will be forced to make up their tax hiding with no one Stargazer99 Feb 14 #4
I was audited last year CountAllVotes Feb 15 #8
It costs less to audit low income (low income are less complicated) hence more funds to Stargazer99 Feb 15 #23
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This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Feb 15 #6
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Republicans are destroying this country. Initech Feb 15 #9
Their goal is to eliminate people like me CountAllVotes Feb 15 #10
Right during tax season Wicked Blue Feb 15 #11
And protecting billionaires... Woodycall Feb 15 #14
Is there no civil service protection? TimeToGo Feb 15 #12
What would happen to the US government and the Trumpf regime if no one filed their taxes this year? C0RI0LANUS Feb 15 #13
My exact thought kkmarie Feb 15 #16
Since 2/3 of returns result in refunds, I'd expect the most common response would be, "Thank you for your contribution." 24601 Feb 15 #20
Good luck on getting your refund right away Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 15 #15
I knew they'd pull some bullshit like this so that's why I filed on February 1. catbyte Feb 15 #17
I'm exhausted too! CountAllVotes Feb 15 #18
MAKING AMERICA BROKE AND BROKEN Jit423 Feb 15 #19
If you get a refund, do your taxes NOW NickB79 Feb 15 #21
Got my refund today. milestogo Feb 15 #24
This calculator works well for Federal taxes CountAllVotes Feb 15 #28
They want ALL the agents OUT that were going after the super rich and BUSTING them.... Bengus81 Feb 15 #25
On tax collection...a couple of points. A_Steel_Magnolia Feb 15 #26
I am getting a minimal refund CountAllVotes Feb 15 #29
Excellent! A_Steel_Magnolia Feb 15 #30

Renew Deal

(83,631 posts)
1. I agree
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 10:40 PM
Feb 14

And I wonder if people have already been filing at a higher rate than normal. It wouldn't surprise me if the gov't suddenly claimed there was no money for refunds, especially after the potential shutdown deadline.

CountAllVotes

(21,419 posts)
2. Some have received their refunds
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 10:43 PM
Feb 14

They filed about two weeks ago.

I went to the local Senior Resource Center the other day and they e-filed mine for me. I have a small refund coming (hopefully!).

File now if you have a refund due is my advice.



Lulu KC

(7,308 posts)
3. I heard originally that they were waiting until the tax season ends--that's June
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 10:52 PM
Feb 14

This is still in the article, but the probationary people have to leave now?

"Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said in an interview with Bloomberg News last week that the department, which oversees the I.R.S., would limit changes until after tax season ends in the spring."


Makes. No. Sense. Again.

Lulu KC

(7,308 posts)
27. Except, apparently, the probationaries, who are probably mostly seasonal
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:52 PM
Feb 15

Just there for the tax season.

If refunds are slowed down, there will be lots of complaining for Trusk to hear about.

Stargazer99

(3,176 posts)
4. This will enable the wealthy to hide monies and you middleclass will be forced to make up their tax hiding with no one
Fri Feb 14, 2025, 11:27 PM
Feb 14

checking the tax cheating by the wealthy. Last year more monies were given to IRS to audit the wealthy...the found over ONE BILLION in taxes NOT PAID by the wealthy....well on the way to destroy this nation,

CountAllVotes

(21,419 posts)
8. I was audited last year
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 12:15 AM
Feb 15

Seems my return was off by a whopping $3.00.

I am not middle class fyi, I am low income and YES, I pay taxes.

I guess you do not know how the system works; I do.

Stargazer99

(3,176 posts)
23. It costs less to audit low income (low income are less complicated) hence more funds to
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 11:47 AM
Feb 15

audit the wealthy because they are complicated. And it takes less manpower and time to audit the low income so they will most likely be the ones audited while they wealthy get off scot free, we get more bang for the buck auditing the wealthy so they make fewer audits by taking away the employees that can find out where the wealthy have hidden the money to tax

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CountAllVotes

(21,419 posts)
10. Their goal is to eliminate people like me
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 12:22 AM
Feb 15

Disabled, low income and barely hanging on.

What a sick batch of freaks!



Wicked Blue

(7,692 posts)
11. Right during tax season
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 12:28 AM
Feb 15

These mass layoffs are not about saving money -- they are about wrecking the United States of America.

Woodycall

(423 posts)
14. And protecting billionaires...
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:42 AM
Feb 15

(and actually more importantly, millionaires and centi-millionaires - because there are 1000s of times more of them) from tax audits! All the average person will get is the slowing of the processing of our returns and refunds and of course, an increase in our tax burdens. Just as they have planned.

C0RI0LANUS

(3,015 posts)
13. What would happen to the US government and the Trumpf regime if no one filed their taxes this year?
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:07 AM
Feb 15

kkmarie

(79 posts)
16. My exact thought
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 06:17 AM
Feb 15

What if we don't file? What and who is going to do anything? If they gut the staff at the IRS.

I know they'll come get us. They'd have to. They need our money. And most are not rich enough to get away with it.

24601

(4,059 posts)
20. Since 2/3 of returns result in refunds, I'd expect the most common response would be, "Thank you for your contribution."
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 10:21 AM
Feb 15

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(119,881 posts)
15. Good luck on getting your refund right away
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 02:14 AM
Feb 15

Do these legends in their own minds ever think these things through?

catbyte

(36,503 posts)
17. I knew they'd pull some bullshit like this so that's why I filed on February 1.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 07:42 AM
Feb 15

I was afraid if I waited any longer it would take 6 months to get my refund. It hit my bank on Wednesday and I was frankly surprised it was so fast given the chaos.

I'm exhausted with all this already, sigh.

CountAllVotes

(21,419 posts)
18. I'm exhausted too!
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 08:03 AM
Feb 15

I got up to check my bank account and discovered fraud on my VISA card (amazon.com Prime = something I would NEVER enroll in!).

I got the card closed out and I hope I get my small refund soon.

It is so difficult living in this situation, poor or not poor!

I am glad to know you got your refund so quickly catbyte!

I filed on Tuesday myself and I hope it comes through for me as I have many bills coming up.'

Property taxes are first on the list!



Jit423

(1,012 posts)
19. MAKING AMERICA BROKE AND BROKEN
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 08:56 AM
Feb 15

The GOP wet dream. Pretty soon some wealthy communist will be able to buy the US...who needs Greenland?

NickB79

(19,794 posts)
21. If you get a refund, do your taxes NOW
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 10:49 AM
Feb 15

Do not wait until April, or you may not see that return for months.

I'm buying TurboTax today, gonna do it tonight.

milestogo

(19,784 posts)
24. Got my refund today.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 12:31 PM
Feb 15

Took a week.

It seems idiotic to do a purge like this during tax season.

CountAllVotes

(21,419 posts)
28. This calculator works well for Federal taxes
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:56 PM
Feb 15
https://www.aarp.org/money/taxes/1040-tax-calculator/

I used it before I went to have my taxes done and e-filed at the local Senior Center.

It was totally 100% accurate for a 1040.

Best of luck.



Bengus81

(8,274 posts)
25. They want ALL the agents OUT that were going after the super rich and BUSTING them....
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:18 PM
Feb 15

Trump and his NAZI bunch want them out and back to business as usual. Go after people with no means to fight them--they usually just bend over and send a check whether it's warranted or not.

They tried that rap on me for about $850 ten years ago when I was still working and self employed. Between myself and my long time tax preparer we beat their asses with facts and documents showing they were full of shit--and they knew it. They backed off and closed the case in about 60 days. Guess they figured with a relatively low amount like that I'd just shit my pants and mail them a check that day. Wrong! We are the people the IRS goes after,not the rich.....

The filthy rich will one again (after they drain the IRS and get an audit notice) tell them we'll drag this audit out for the next ten years OR you can go hassle people that aren't millionaires and billionaires and collect from most of them in a flash.

A_Steel_Magnolia

(83 posts)
26. On tax collection...a couple of points.
Sat Feb 15, 2025, 01:46 PM
Feb 15

Tax fraud (of which TSF was convicted ) is a felony, usually involving serious penalties; not filing a return is a misdemeanor, usually corrected with financial penalties and interest. The IRS collected many millions of dollars from millionaires who didn't file returns between 2017 and 2020 after Biden beefed up the IRS budget and staff. The IRS has been understaffed for decades.

Find another way to save money besides loaning the US government interest free money.

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