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BumRushDaShow

(147,532 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 06:07 AM 17 hrs ago

Agencies seek guidance on latest Musk OPM email, with some urging employees to hold off responding

Source: ABC News

February 22, 2025, 11:34 PM


Multiple federal agencies appeared to be caught off guard by the Elon Musk-directed email from the Office of Personnel Management on Saturday that demanded employees detail their weekly accomplishments. Management across multiple agencies have begun informing their staff that they are waiting on further guidance and, in some cases, telling them to hold off replying, according to multiple sources.

Those agencies include the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Internal Revenue Service, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Department of Energy. The Pentagon has also instructed civilian employees to wait for legal guidance before responding.

Some law enforcement agencies -- including the FBI -- have also instructed employees to "pause" any responses to the OPM email. In an email to all NOAA staff obtained by ABC News, Rear Adm. Chad Cary stated that the message "came as a surprise to all departments, and NOAA leadership is seeking guidance." Cary also recommended not submitting anything until late Monday in case additional guidance is provided.

Sources told ABC News that employees at FEMA had also been directed to hold off responding. At the IRS, the acting commissioner informed staff that the officials there are awaiting guidance from the Treasury regarding the email — but did not specifically advise staff on whether or not to respond.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/agencies-seek-guidance-latest-musk-opm-email-urging/story?id=119090767



This was something sent out last night by the FDA NTEU Local Chapter that represents them -



The problem is when you have lackeys installed everywhere, they can "order" that managers start generating SF-52s - "Request for Personnel Action" - to start terminating at will, with the threat of "insubordination" if they refused.



Employee would get this added to their eOPF (Electronic Official Personnel File) - SF-50 - "Notification of Personnel Action" -

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Agencies seek guidance on latest Musk OPM email, with some urging employees to hold off responding (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 17 hrs ago OP
OK, bury them with bureaucracy. Do not comply. Walleye 16 hrs ago #1
Agreed Chi67 14 hrs ago #2
I believe that this move by Edolph is to take the responses moniss 13 hrs ago #3
These firings have to violate federal laws.. Bozvotros 8 hrs ago #4
I have been posting the same thing BumRushDaShow 8 hrs ago #5
If you fire federal employees for poor performance Bozvotros 8 hrs ago #6
Oh I know BumRushDaShow 7 hrs ago #7
Hey DENVERPOPS 6 hrs ago #8
Tangerine Idi Amin will have to declare an emergency. Bozvotros 5 hrs ago #9
You are probably correct DENVERPOPS 5 hrs ago #10
Almost certainly it would not show. Bozvotros 4 hrs ago #11
good call Boz NC DENVERPOPS 1 hr ago #13
You ever wonder what would happen if we all just stopped cooperating with any PatrickforB 4 hrs ago #12

moniss

(6,559 posts)
3. I believe that this move by Edolph is to take the responses
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:47 AM
13 hrs ago

and have his "AI-holes" working for him run a correlation and see how many people within an agency etc. list working on the same thing. Then in their "infinite wisdom" and without checking anything they will make decisions such as "We had 400 people that listed working on Mississippi River projects. Let's eliminate 300 because 100 should be more than enough."

Bozvotros

(901 posts)
4. These firings have to violate federal laws..
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 02:32 PM
8 hrs ago

I worked at the VA for 14 years. And you couldn't fire people without a good reason. You had to prove they committed a serious offense. Even new employees were protected. There were steps you had to take before you terminate someone. Especially people who had been employed beyond their probationary period.i

When it happened it was almost always a paid vacation for whoever was wrongfully fired. I saw a few people who would have been fired at 90% of private businesses keep their job. I even saw one person get fired for assaulting someone, who was gone for seven or eight months. One day he was just back. He had to hire a lawyer but he was paid for the time he was off and given a different job job at the same pay level.

I'd bet most people who can are lawyering up . I think this is a another stupid mistake by these two rich entitled power mad assholes. It's going to cost the VA a shit ton of money that should be going to improve treatment for veterans.

BumRushDaShow

(147,532 posts)
5. I have been posting the same thing
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 02:46 PM
8 hrs ago

for the past couple weeks (I used to be a federal supervisor).

We have a HUGE problem where there is lazy media, some of whom are FINALLY starting to catch on a bit, but also a breathtakingly ignorant set of members right there in Congress (teabaggers and more recently, MAGats) who have zero "historical" reference to what is legal when it comes to federal employees and the Civil Service Acts (and the many amendments to it over the years since the first done in the 1880s).

The "modern" one that we are operating under -

S.2640 - Civil Service Reform Act of 1978


Conference report filed in House (10/05/1978)
(Conference report filed in House, H. Rept. 95-1717)

Civil Service Reform Act - =Title I: Merit System Principles= - Enumerates the principles of the merit system in the Federal work force. Prohibits the taking of personnel actions to discriminate against a Federal employee on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, age, handicapping conditions, marital status, or political affiliation. Prohibits, generally, taking or influencing personnel actions for political or other nonmerit reasons and nepotism.

Makes the head of each agency responsible for the prevention of prohibited personnel practices, for the compliance with and enforcement of applicable civil service laws, rules and regulations, and for other aspects of personnel management.

(snip)

Bozvotros

(901 posts)
6. If you fire federal employees for poor performance
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 03:14 PM
8 hrs ago

you damn better be able to prove it because it's illegal and even slanderous to claim something that isn't true. It's certainly reversible.

And there are steps that have to be taken before you terminate someone if they have not committed an egregious offense. And the longer the seniority the more care you had to take.

Trump, Musk and his muskrats have made their illegal terminations worse by lying and slandering employees without a shred of proof of performance issues. They're malevolent idiots. And we have the damnable Supreme Court to thank for giving Trump total immunity to commit any crime he likes. And he likes a lot of them.

BumRushDaShow

(147,532 posts)
7. Oh I know
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 03:38 PM
7 hrs ago

I thankfully didn't have to do that but earlier in my career who spent a year documenting a former coworker of mine who needed to be gone (I was the Union Steward at the time so was being kept apprised).

When the deed was finally done in this guy's case, he started stalking the supervisor and some of the employees.

People don't get that within the federal government, there is an "escalation" of actions that the supervisor must go through before going with anything draconian. E.g., "verbal warning", then "written warning", then maybe a "written warning with counseling", "administrative leave", "suspension", etc.

The troubling thing that has come out recently with these "firings" has been some agencies lumping recently promoted career employees with career-conditional ones, and treating them identically to new hires being "on probation". googly:

It just gets worse and worse.

DENVERPOPS

(10,918 posts)
8. Hey
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 04:58 PM
6 hrs ago

How 'bout NO federal employees reply.........What is Musk going to do then? Or Trump for that matter?

Bozvotros

(901 posts)
9. Tangerine Idi Amin will have to declare an emergency.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 05:18 PM
5 hrs ago

And declare Martial Law. Everyday he acts more and more like those crazy people who think they are Napoleon.

DENVERPOPS

(10,918 posts)
10. You are probably correct
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 05:25 PM
5 hrs ago

He is just waiting for the moment to get the anti-facists to have a large demonstration or counter offensive, so that he can jump on the
Insurrection Act", ignore the Posse Commatatus Act, and militarize the U.S. Armed Forces across the entire U.S. and declare Martial Law........Every day and night it give him a tiny "Woodie" just thinking about it..............Since Jan 20th, Putin is rumored to have had a never ending "Priapism"..................

Bozvotros

(901 posts)
11. Almost certainly it would not show.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 06:28 PM
4 hrs ago

He's just another sadistic little guy with an even littler guy below. His priapism probably has to be facilitated by multiple injections, cialis and a strong caning.

PatrickforB

(15,165 posts)
12. You ever wonder what would happen if we all just stopped cooperating with any
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:02 PM
4 hrs ago

unconstitutional or illegal order by this dictatorship?

Because here's the thing - by doing idiotic things like decimating the IRS right in the middle of tax season, as well as all the other thoughtless, feckless actions Eyore and his DOGE are doing to reduce federal employment, they are making it so our government does not work for us.

Since we PAY for the government through income taxes, if we don't get the services we need, then we are being taxed without representation.

I mean, don't you think it ironic that the richest man in the world is telling US that WE need to endure economic suffering because WE have been living beyond OUR means?

That is just so much bullshit. The federal government has become profoundly corrupt because of things like Citizens United, which have allowed massive Wall Street and billionaire corruption to infest Congress and the presidency, and now the Supreme Court.

And if Eyore and his team of teen hackers fuck with Social Security and Medicare after millions of us have paid in full boat to these social insurance programs there will need to be a constitutional convention. Because after what happened in this last election, where BILLIONS of dollars were spent to enrich shareholders of publicly traded media companies, I don't think anything is working.

And now Eyore is braying out this email to federal workers to justify their existance and continued employment? Fuck him. DOGE is not an official department created by Congress. Eyore is neither elected nor has he been confirmed by the US Senate. And now he is firing all the high level military people?

I'm not sure the republic will survive this. The Dems are fighting back, but my senators, both Democrats, are making lip noises about working 'across the aisle.' Fuck that shit.

- Oppose the GOP tooth and nail and make them fight for every little inch of anything.
- Vote NO on everything.
- Shut the government down if you must.

STOP COOPERATING with these nazi fucks.

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