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BumRushDaShow

(147,532 posts)
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 03:15 PM 7 hrs ago

Furious Trump Sics Musk on Boeing to Deliver New Air Force One Jets

Source: Daily Beast

Updated Feb. 23 2025 3:49AM EST | Published Feb. 22 2025 7:06PM EST


A furious President Donald Trump has deputized Elon Musk to badger Boeing into delivering two new Air Force One jets—a project that has been been derailed by PR nightmares and technical issues, according to a report. The president has urged Musk to take drastic measures, such as rolling back security clearance standards for those working on the presidential planes, The New York Times reported earlier this week.

According to several inside sources, Trump is reportedly livid about having to fly in the same presidential planes that have been in use for more than 30 years, dating back to George H.W. Bush’s term. Trump has pushed for the new planes to have a patriotic red, white, and blue color scheme—rather than the current light blue and white color—despite thermal issues raised by the dark blue.

During his four years out of office, Trump kept a model version of the new presidential jet in his office at Mar-a-Lago, the Times reported. “They’ve been building this thing forever,” Trump said during his joint Fox News interview with Musk this week. “I don’t know what’s going on.” Boeing originally signed the contract for the project in 2018, during Trump’s first term. The jets were supposed to be ready for use in 2024. It now looks as if they won’t be finished until near the end of Trump’s second stint in office.

The endeavor has been beset by a series of disasters. On the PR side, the company has dealt with lapsed security clearances for its workers and an instance where empty tequila bottles were found onboard one of the planes. In one technical setback, the team working on the project had to repair tiny cracks discovered in the structures for the two planes. The COVID pandemic also contributed to the delays by making it harder to find workers and causing supply-chain issues.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/furious-trump-sics-musk-on-boeing-to-deliver-new-air-force-one-jets/

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Furious Trump Sics Musk on Boeing to Deliver New Air Force One Jets (Original Post) BumRushDaShow 7 hrs ago OP
It's okay to cut corners on this *one* order LearnedHand 7 hrs ago #1
Agreed Rebl2 4 hrs ago #20
Agreed and Agreed again...... DENVERPOPS 1 hr ago #44
Put it in a box and make him assemble it himself like IKEA furniture. n/t forgotmylogin 1 hr ago #42
Excellent idea Rebl2 1 hr ago #46
Browbeat and rush Boeing? Attilatheblond 7 hrs ago #2
Don't worry, he'll bring the SpaceX safety team with him. nilram 7 hrs ago #5
Maybe... lonely bird 5 hrs ago #17
Sorry I didn't Rebl2 4 hrs ago #21
Thanks lonely bird 2 hrs ago #32
No, you were thinking to yourself. niyad 2 hrs ago #34
This message was self-deleted by its author COL Mustard 2 hrs ago #35
And how much are these things supposed to cost? Bayard 7 hrs ago #3
Cost is no issue when it comes to anything for Musk and Trump. Irish_Dem 7 hrs ago #8
A few thousand fired federal workers MadameButterfly 1 hr ago #48
$4.66 billion and Boeing expects to lose nearly one billion dollars on the order VMA131Marine 6 hrs ago #14
Spot on! SeattleVet 2 hrs ago #38
Refueling Wifes husband 58 min ago #54
Dunno! Seems like something the Presidential airplane should have VMA131Marine 25 min ago #58
I'm perfectly content to allow Boeing to rush the delivery of these planes. Ocelot II 7 hrs ago #4
+1 dalton99a 4 hrs ago #22
Maybe Rebl2 1 hr ago #47
Problem is the next POTUS MadameButterfly 1 hr ago #49
Wait, empty tequila bottles on board. Buddyzbuddy 7 hrs ago #6
Excellent point! orangecrush 2 hrs ago #39
There are tons of security and safety implications to this genxlib 7 hrs ago #7
No future president in their right mind orangecrush 2 hrs ago #40
Don't worry about those cracks... WestMichRad 7 hrs ago #9
"the same presidential planes that have been in use for more than 30 years, dating back to George H.W. Bush's term" Polybius 7 hrs ago #10
When these presidential aircraft Deminpenn 3 hrs ago #25
Sure, push for early delivery & have Trump, Musk, Vance & Johnson on board for first flight. NotHardly 7 hrs ago #11
and the drunk, don't forget the drunk. niyad 2 hrs ago #37
How far down the line of succession do you have to go to find a decent person? LearnedHand 1 hr ago #41
I think we need to win the House MadameButterfly 1 hr ago #52
If they want a faster delivery . . . SarcasticSatyr 7 hrs ago #12
I would suspect that some of the delay is due to all of the software necessary to make the plane the in2herbs 7 hrs ago #13
Rubio even took the initiative to have the electronics systems pre engineered for Boeing... EarthFirst 6 hrs ago #15
Maybe he can get them faster if he goes with the surprise falling door option. (n/t) thesquanderer 5 hrs ago #16
Turn it over to him right now n/t tinymontgomery 5 hrs ago #18
I imagine Musk may well speed things up Emrys 4 hrs ago #19
Ok... cut the security and expertise needed to work on THESE planes! slightlv 3 hrs ago #23
Hope Boeing Deminpenn 3 hrs ago #24
I don't get it ... why doesn't Musk lend Chump one of his jets? FakeNoose 3 hrs ago #26
Elon's CyberPlane Engineers will save the day bucolic_frolic 3 hrs ago #27
Who stole those strawberries? jeffreyi 3 hrs ago #28
Dear Lord, please have Felon Musk sign off on his engineering orders while trashing Boeing. Please ... marble falls 3 hrs ago #29
Here you go just a few blocks away on the mall 1903 Wright Flyer IA8IT 3 hrs ago #30
Hey Eloon Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 2 hrs ago #31
I have driven past there on the way to Blaine for a work trip BumRushDaShow 2 hrs ago #33
eejit n/t mtngirl47 2 hrs ago #36
They should deliver it as is Figarosmom 1 hr ago #43
Sell the current plane. Aussie105 1 hr ago #45
Or Trump could fly commercial. Only costs $2. MadameButterfly 1 hr ago #53
Just bolt stubby wings and jet engines onto a Cybertruck. NBachers 1 hr ago #50
Trump wants to fly on a plane that musk has something to do with? Good luck with that landing Augiedog 1 hr ago #51
By all means, Dotard, please a) rely on Edolf's technical prowess to b) rush production RockRaven 53 min ago #55
"Rolling back security clearance standards for those working on the presidential planes." LastLiberal in PalmSprings 50 min ago #56
I thought he was in charge of everything. What's this Klarkashton 46 min ago #57
Fuck him and his stupid Americagasm symbols! Initech 16 min ago #59

DENVERPOPS

(10,918 posts)
44. Agreed and Agreed again......
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:26 PM
1 hr ago

Cut as many corners as on the 737's...............Maybe use the same defective auto pilot vertical stabilization system used on the 737-800? (that they didn't tell the pilots about)........

Actually it is PUTIN pushing on Trump to get it done. The new plane has Blue White and Red horizontal stripes.
Co-incidentally just like the Russian Flag......

lonely bird

(2,102 posts)
17. Maybe...
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 05:47 PM
5 hrs ago

The window will blow off with him sitting there with no seatbelt?

I’m sorry, did I say that out loud?

Response to Attilatheblond (Reply #2)

Bayard

(24,289 posts)
3. And how much are these things supposed to cost?
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 03:22 PM
7 hrs ago

Yes, have them inspected by Musk's little minions to cut costs and raise efficiency.

Irish_Dem

(64,295 posts)
8. Cost is no issue when it comes to anything for Musk and Trump.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 03:29 PM
7 hrs ago

After all, taxpayers will cover all the costs.

MadameButterfly

(2,491 posts)
48. A few thousand fired federal workers
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:48 PM
1 hr ago

will pay for it. The new plane will have nice colors (Russian). Ok for the next 4 years but then we'll need another one that actually keeps POTUS safe.

VMA131Marine

(4,851 posts)
14. $4.66 billion and Boeing expects to lose nearly one billion dollars on the order
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 04:19 PM
6 hrs ago

I suspect they will lose even more than $1 billion

For comparison a Ford-class carrier costs $13 billion

A Standard Boeing 747-8I cost around $400 million. Of course they are no longer in production which is why Boeing had to start with aircraft that had already built for Transaero, who went bankrupt before they could be delivered. It probably would have been cheaper to have started with complete new builds for the new VC-25Bs as there would have been a lot of work in ripping out an reconfiguring existing systems to meet the contract requirements for security, durability, and survivability.

SeattleVet

(5,642 posts)
38. Spot on!
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 08:48 PM
2 hrs ago

The 747 line was still operational when the order was originated, but someone decided that it would be cheaper to retrofit the existing airframes. (It wasn't.)

All wiring throughout the airframe had to be removed and replaced with hardened materials to help mitigate EMP. There was also a whole shit-ton of rework required to meet the security and safety criteria. There were also several changes that the Orange Turd demanded during his first mis-administration ...like removing the mid-air refueling capability. Many of the things he demanded be removed required a lot of additional deconstruction and reconstruction. The dark paint scheme he mandated also screws with the thermal characteristics.

A lot of the extra costs were his own damn fault. And now they are actually talking about 'retrofitting' other existing airframes to serve as the presidential aircraft, which will incur additional untold costs just to meet the security and survivability criteria, n to to mention the communications and defensive attributes that are in the current aircraft. It's obvious that this idiot has no concept whatsoever about what is actually involved in this type of manufacture.

Ocelot II

(123,084 posts)
4. I'm perfectly content to allow Boeing to rush the delivery of these planes.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 03:23 PM
7 hrs ago

Trump shouldn't have to be inconvenienced by bothersome roadblocks like checking to be sure all the parts are where they should be, tools weren't left inside the engines, and FAA inspections (since the FAA won't have enough inspectors anyhow). Speed tape works fine for a lot of things. Get 'em put together and out the door ASAP; just try not to fly them over populated areas.

MadameButterfly

(2,491 posts)
49. Problem is the next POTUS
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:52 PM
1 hr ago

willl have to use it. Oh, wait, the very existence of a next POTUS would be a good thing. Never mind.

genxlib

(5,796 posts)
7. There are tons of security and safety implications to this
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 03:28 PM
7 hrs ago

Just because he doesn't care, doesn't mean that future presidents won't.

If we aren't careful, Russian microphones will be everywhere.

On a completely different subject, this is yet another huge conflict of interest for Musk. Boeing and SpaceEx are competitors for federal contracts. Anything he does to undermine Boeing is of enormous benefit to him.

Polybius

(19,196 posts)
10. "the same presidential planes that have been in use for more than 30 years, dating back to George H.W. Bush's term"
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 03:32 PM
7 hrs ago

I actually find that quite surprising. I would have thought that Air Force One would have been much newer.

Deminpenn

(16,536 posts)
25. When these presidential aircraft
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:22 PM
3 hrs ago

undergo maintenance, repair, modifications or upgrades, they use all new parts for the job.

NotHardly

(1,647 posts)
11. Sure, push for early delivery & have Trump, Musk, Vance & Johnson on board for first flight.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 03:33 PM
7 hrs ago
I'm sure it will be just fine.

LearnedHand

(4,489 posts)
41. How far down the line of succession do you have to go to find a decent person?
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:10 PM
1 hr ago

Just wondering how many need to be on that flight.

SarcasticSatyr

(1,309 posts)
12. If they want a faster delivery . . .
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 03:35 PM
7 hrs ago

I would be ok with maybe them skipping every third bolt . . . .

in2herbs

(3,499 posts)
13. I would suspect that some of the delay is due to all of the software necessary to make the plane the
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 03:43 PM
7 hrs ago

in air White House.

Maybe F47 wants a new plane so that when he flees the country he can do so using a new plane with security technology that will appease Putin.

EarthFirst

(3,435 posts)
15. Rubio even took the initiative to have the electronics systems pre engineered for Boeing...
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 04:57 PM
6 hrs ago

…he picked them up in Saudi Arabia last week.

DOGE approved efficiency!

Emrys

(8,242 posts)
19. I imagine Musk may well speed things up
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 06:22 PM
4 hrs ago

His strategy at SpaceX is that rapid unscheduled disassemblies are valuable learning moments and not to be shunned or mourned. Maybe he'll move fast and break things.

All these backup systems - are they really necessary?

Wings? That's so 20th-century.

slightlv

(4,877 posts)
23. Ok... cut the security and expertise needed to work on THESE planes!
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:14 PM
3 hrs ago

Let trump feel the effect of his rulings directly. Of all the planes currently falling out of the skies right now, I think this is one that could really do us some good. trump is too stupid and egotistical to realize that some things can't be speeded up if you want it done right, and being done right is a matter of life and death. So, give him a life-learning lesson!

FakeNoose

(36,654 posts)
26. I don't get it ... why doesn't Musk lend Chump one of his jets?
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:23 PM
3 hrs ago

What's the big deal ... he's the "richest man in the world." Am I right?

marble falls

(63,383 posts)
29. Dear Lord, please have Felon Musk sign off on his engineering orders while trashing Boeing. Please ...
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:30 PM
3 hrs ago

... Lord do not let anyone get seriously hurt because of the South Afrikan poster boy for the Dunning Kruger Effect being an even worse aeronautical engineer than he is automotive engineer. Or running a tunneling company. Or running a social network.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(119,067 posts)
31. Hey Eloon
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 08:18 PM
2 hrs ago

I live in the city where the 747 is manufactured. Come to Everett and enjoy some hospitality from the locals.

BumRushDaShow

(147,532 posts)
33. I have driven past there on the way to Blaine for a work trip
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 08:26 PM
2 hrs ago

(and eventually went across into Canada to Vancouver)

Boeing and Microsoft all over the damn place and the whole area is nothing but A LOT of trees! Just billions of acres of conifers.

Aussie105

(6,753 posts)
45. Sell the current plane.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:31 PM
1 hr ago

Trump should buy a season Amtrak ticket.

Leave security at home.

Money saved, DOGE team will love the idea!


NBachers

(18,311 posts)
50. Just bolt stubby wings and jet engines onto a Cybertruck.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:53 PM
1 hr ago

If only I had the Photoshop skills to reproduce what's in my head.

Augiedog

(2,606 posts)
51. Trump wants to fly on a plane that musk has something to do with? Good luck with that landing
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 09:53 PM
1 hr ago

RockRaven

(16,869 posts)
55. By all means, Dotard, please a) rely on Edolf's technical prowess to b) rush production
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 10:09 PM
54 min ago

and delivery of c) current Boeing aircraft.

That is actually a GREAT idea. A+B+C = very stable genius thinking.

Bigly brained very good idea, sir, with tears in eyes.

56. "Rolling back security clearance standards for those working on the presidential planes."
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 10:12 PM
50 min ago

What could go wrong?

"I am the new supervisor in charge of installing Top Secret communications equipment in the airplane, comrade. Could you show me where the classified documents are located? It's Mar-a-Lago? I'll have Ivan take care of it -- he works the front desk checking in 'guests.' "

Klarkashton

(2,956 posts)
57. I thought he was in charge of everything. What's this
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 10:16 PM
46 min ago

Shit if passing this along to that other asshole?

Initech

(103,707 posts)
59. Fuck him and his stupid Americagasm symbols!
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 10:46 PM
16 min ago

Holy shit, this 78 year old toddler is going to kill a whole lot of us!

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