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BumRushDaShow

(165,489 posts)
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:28 PM Mar 2025

She hoped Trump would revive her farm. Now she worries his policies could bankrupt it.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Lasher (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: NBC News

March 22, 2025, 5:00 AM EDT


After Donald Trump won the presidency again, Rebecca Carlson was counting on this being the year things turned around for her 1,300-acre farm in northern Michigan. The farm has been in her family for generations but has struggled over the past several years amid the rising cost of fuel, fertilizer and other operating expenses. Then, last year, bad weather wiped out much of her crop. But the return of Trump, she thought, would help reverse things.

“I was expecting to see a drastic turnaround for the better for my farm because the Republicans have always been for the American farmer,” said Carlson, a longtime Republican and Trump supporter.

Prices for cherries, her main crop, had increased during Trump's first term after his policies cut down on competition from overseas, and she was hoping to see a similar economic boost this time around. Instead, her farm has been caught up in the widespread government funding freezes, jeopardizing her ability to hire the workers she needs for this season's harvest. It could leave her $200,000 in debt if she's unable to access the grant money that had been awarded to her farm.

“I’ll admit to you, I bleed Republican. However, this has left a sour taste in my mouth,” Carlson said. “During Trump’s first administration, a lot of farmers — not all, but a lot of farmers — saw the positive side to his tariffs and to his agricultural dealings." "Now, we’re not seeing that," she said. "Now, we’re seeing the actual opposite.”

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/economics/hoped-trump-revive-farm-now-worries-policies-bankrupt-rcna197320

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She hoped Trump would revive her farm. Now she worries his policies could bankrupt it. (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 OP
Tariffs were okay when they affected other farmers but now... CrispyQ Mar 2025 #1
Its funny how they were all for it until... wintemark Mar 2025 #5
She's the answer to the question "how stupid can you be?" NotHardly Mar 2025 #47
"He's hurting the wrong people"...excuse for the stupid. NotHardly Mar 2025 #16
Good! BaronChocula Mar 2025 #2
Republican "Welfare Queen" farmer sucking on the government teat cries the blues. Tarzanrock Mar 2025 #3
... BumRushDaShow Mar 2025 #9
Fuck you, Republican voting bitch! Tarzanrock Mar 2025 #10
It is a compromise Cirsium Mar 2025 #32
She also whines about US workers: yardwork Mar 2025 #55
"the Republicans have always been for the American farmer" tanyev Mar 2025 #4
Right?!?! NickB79 Mar 2025 #7
Since when? It'a amazing how gullible some magats are. brush Mar 2025 #8
Too bad, lady. hamsterjill Mar 2025 #6
90% of Michigans tart cherries are shipped to France. multigraincracker Mar 2025 #11
Even without a trade war, LisaL Mar 2025 #13
That is so not true Cirsium Mar 2025 #35
"Republicans have always been for the American farmer" CanonRay Mar 2025 #12
Bad weather? Cirsium Mar 2025 #14
Cool video if a somewhat sad topic IbogaProject Mar 2025 #34
Another prey for the leopards. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2025 #15
The public will be hurt Cirsium Mar 2025 #37
Fear not, Rebecca! An agribusiness megacorp eagerly waits in the wings to buy your farm 0rganism Mar 2025 #17
No Cirsium Mar 2025 #49
" jeopardizing her ability to hire the workers she needs for this season's harvest." Norrrm Mar 2025 #18
Face. It's What's for Dinner. Strelnikov_ Mar 2025 #19
Wrong target Cirsium Mar 2025 #38
You'll bleed money now. Solly Mack Mar 2025 #20
I don't care NewEnglandAutumn Mar 2025 #21
Cry Me A River DeeDeeNY Mar 2025 #22
Idiots relayerbob Mar 2025 #23
If she had done the research... GiqueCee Mar 2025 #24
Crazy idiocy. Republicans have NOT always been good for farmers. ananda Mar 2025 #25
You can't fix stupid.Sounds like she still supports drump Tribetime Mar 2025 #26
AWwwwww Lokee11 Mar 2025 #27
Leopard Chow Deep State Witch Mar 2025 #28
If there's any more schadenfreude in this thread al bupp Mar 2025 #29
OH, but... OldBaldy1701E Mar 2025 #39
I know, right! al bupp Mar 2025 #50
A common theme coming from tsf supporters: their utter selfishness. jrthin Mar 2025 #30
"I'll admit to you, I bleed Republican. However, this has left a sour taste in my mouth," mdbl Mar 2025 #31
Pretty soon the leopards will be too fat to climb up and lurk in her cherry trees, Ocelot II Mar 2025 #33
Bleed Republican. like so many others Bobstandard Mar 2025 #36
If she bleeds out, Aristus Mar 2025 #51
You should be proud to sacrifice for your orange god. Demobrat Mar 2025 #40
What positives did farmers see from Trump's previous tariffs? Raven123 Mar 2025 #41
They got the bailout Americanme Mar 2025 #53
I won't shed any tears for that selfish idiot. Dave Bowman Mar 2025 #42
Me either Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #54
Kissing TSF's butt left a "sour taste in her mouth" RainCaster Mar 2025 #43
Tell her she's a "communist" for cashing in subsidies from the gobernment. Justice matters. Mar 2025 #44
That's JD's thing, he buys bankrupt family farms. Blue Full Moon Mar 2025 #45
Start growing weed you dumb bitch ButchMcMuffin Mar 2025 #46
Just insane angrychair Mar 2025 #48
Republicans are NOT friends to American farmers. yardwork Mar 2025 #52
Farmers and Veterans have something in common Pototan Mar 2025 #56
Because now he has to work harder than last time. It's revenge. GreenWave Mar 2025 #58
'The Republicans have always been for the American farmer," said Carlson, a longtime Republican and Trump supporter. mwb970 Mar 2025 #57
Locking. Lasher Mar 2025 #59

CrispyQ

(40,652 posts)
1. Tariffs were okay when they affected other farmers but now...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:37 PM
Mar 2025

wintemark

(42 posts)
5. Its funny how they were all for it until...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:42 PM
Mar 2025

"but this is impacting me and people I know"

Shouldn't be supprising "they" are like this, this is how to felt about COVID too.

NotHardly

(2,606 posts)
47. She's the answer to the question "how stupid can you be?"
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:32 PM
Mar 2025

NotHardly

(2,606 posts)
16. "He's hurting the wrong people"...excuse for the stupid.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 02:37 PM
Mar 2025

BaronChocula

(4,013 posts)
2. Good!
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:39 PM
Mar 2025

If she was a supporter of the Democratic Party certain news outlets would be calling her a welfare queen.

 

Tarzanrock

(1,250 posts)
3. Republican "Welfare Queen" farmer sucking on the government teat cries the blues.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:41 PM
Mar 2025

I had thought that these people were supposed to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps." Just another rightwing Republican begging for some government, taxpayer funded, handout. Just why is she "deserving" of a whopping $200,000 "grant" from the U.S. government to hire "overseas" workers to pick her cherries? Just another "free lunch" handout to this Republican voting welfare queen! Tough titty said the Kitty -- the milk tastes shitty!

BumRushDaShow

(165,489 posts)
9. ...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:46 PM
Mar 2025
Tough titty said the Kitty -- the milk tastes shitty!


 

Tarzanrock

(1,250 posts)
10. Fuck you, Republican voting bitch!
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:51 PM
Mar 2025

Fuck you, bitch, for voting for the Turd! Joe Biden and the Democrats gave your "ungrateful" ass those monies for your farm and you thank Joe Biden and the Democrats for that good fortune and for those agricultural grant monies ($200,000) by voting for Republicans and the Turd. Fuck you! Enjoy your economic losses! Maybe, when you idiot Republican Shitheads suffer enough economically -- you will vote differently.

Cirsium

(3,342 posts)
32. It is a compromise
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:31 PM
Mar 2025

The 20 year long ever-escalating assault on immigrant workers has caused a severe labor shortage here. The H2A workers - from the same places non-GH2A workers came from, not from "overseas" - are more expensive and less efficient. It is not a good deal for the growers nor for the workers. It is a stop gap to keep food production from moving overseas. Republicans want to have their cake and eat it, too - terrorize immigrants without impacting food supply. Of course, Wall Street doesn't mind food production moving overseas. In this case, cherry production is moving to Turkey - fewer environmental regulations and worker protections, bigger profits for the corporate food industry and better ROI for investors.

Tart cherries are mechanically harvested, not hand-picked. So there is that. The farm labor is needed mostly for other crops.

$200,000 is hardly "whopping." 10 workers for the season for one small farm, maybe? It is nothing. That includes transportation to the US and housing. The "whopping" amounts of taxpayer money are being spent on Gestapo raids and concentration camp detention and rendition, targeting the experienced and motivated workers coming here on their own and trying to build a future for their families.

Ag subsidies, in general, are for the benefit of the eaters, not so much the growers. There is a long tradition for this, going back to the formation of the land grant college system, cooperative extension, the public health agencies, Farm Credit, the USDA, etc. We should not be using Republican "a waste of taxpayers money" arguments about this.

yardwork

(68,938 posts)
55. She also whines about US workers:
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 05:37 PM
Mar 2025
“The American worker doesn’t like labor, they don’t like to do laborious jobs,” Carlson said. “They don’t want to do the hard labor, and that’s what’s frustrating, because we would love to hire U.S. workers, but we can’t get them to show up. We can’t get them to follow through. We can’t get them to finish the season.”

Sounds to me like she probably has unreasonable expectations of her workers, so she's used the migrant program to hire desperate people with no rights, whom she can bully into working in unreasonable conditions.

Migrants have the jobs most Americans would be appalled to do - working in horrible, unsafe conditions in slaughter houses, poultry plants, etc.

tanyev

(48,632 posts)
4. "the Republicans have always been for the American farmer"
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:41 PM
Mar 2025

NickB79

(20,235 posts)
7. Right?!?!
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:43 PM
Mar 2025

Here in Minnesota, our party is literally called the DFL: Democrat Farm Labor.

Republicans HATE any small farmers not backed by big corporations.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
8. Since when? It'a amazing how gullible some magats are.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:46 PM
Mar 2025

hamsterjill

(16,953 posts)
6. Too bad, lady.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:43 PM
Mar 2025

Next!!!

No tears from me for the idiots who had to learn the hard way. They took the rest of us down the shit hole with them and I will forever hold them accountable for that.

multigraincracker

(36,916 posts)
11. 90% of Michigans tart cherries are shipped to France.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 01:55 PM
Mar 2025

All she needs now is a trade war with France.

LisaL

(47,345 posts)
13. Even without a trade war,
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 02:14 PM
Mar 2025

something tells me many countries won't want to use American products.

Cirsium

(3,342 posts)
35. That is so not true
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:38 PM
Mar 2025

The Montmorency tart cherry variety is thought to have originated in France, brought to Quebec by early French settlers. It was found that it did extremely well in Northwest lower Michigan. 70% of the crop nationally comes from here in Michigan. A small percentage of the crop is exported, mostly to Canada and to the UK.

Full disclosure: I am not an owner, but I have been around the tart cherry orchards all my life. I think I first picked tart cherries in 1962, I eat tart cherries every day, and I am looking out the window at a cherry orchard as I type this.

CanonRay

(15,928 posts)
12. "Republicans have always been for the American farmer"
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 02:06 PM
Mar 2025

Sain no farmer anywhere during the Depression.

Cirsium

(3,342 posts)
14. Bad weather?
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 02:19 PM
Mar 2025

"Bad weather wiped out most of the crop?" It is climate change, not "bad weather," that has caused crop losses here in cherry country over the last 25 years.

"Her farm had been awarded a grant worth $400,000 through the U.S. Department of Agriculture to help pay for the costs associated with hiring seasonal workers from overseas through the H-2A visa program, which farmers have used for years to hire temporary agricultural workers. "

The visa program "farmers have used for years?" Hardly. The program was started by the Biden administration in September 2023.

The labor crisis has been caused by the anti-immigrant hysteria, fomented by Republicans.

The downward pressure on price the last few years has been caused by imports from Turkey where the cherry orchards are heavily subsidized by the government. Nothing to do with Trump.

This video is pretty good. Full disclosure, I know most of the people in the video pretty well (to say the least).

IbogaProject

(5,595 posts)
34. Cool video if a somewhat sad topic
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:35 PM
Mar 2025

Thank you.

DinahMoeHum

(23,344 posts)
15. Another prey for the leopards. . .
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 02:32 PM
Mar 2025

Cirsium

(3,342 posts)
37. The public will be hurt
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:51 PM
Mar 2025

The public will be hurt when this ag sector goes down. The developers are chomping at the bit. That is where the big money is, not in farming.

There are 300 or so growers here, I would guess about 40-45% vote Democratic. But in this area, dominated by cherry orchards, 10,000 people voted for Trump.

Farm owners do vote Republican, but no more so and perhaps less than owners in any other industry. Are they stupid or doing so? Yes.

0rganism

(25,458 posts)
17. Fear not, Rebecca! An agribusiness megacorp eagerly waits in the wings to buy your farm
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 02:39 PM
Mar 2025

At very reasonable prices, don't worry. Of course, since your output has been reduced due to your lack of prison labor contracts, you will have to sell out for a lower price, but if you're lucky and well-connected, it might still be enough to pay off your outstanding debt.

Cirsium

(3,342 posts)
49. No
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:42 PM
Mar 2025

The orchards here are preventing luxury resorts and suburban sprawl. Cherries will come from Turkey, that's all. Cheaper labor, fewer environmental regulations, less health and safety protocols, massive government subsidies from the Turkish government.

Selling the farms to developers would make the growers very wealthy. You have to love farming to keep going. The kids and grand kids of growers usually sell out. It will all be gone soon, not to worry.

There are no prison labor contracts here. It is a serious problem, however, and not just in agriculture

Prison inmates are picking fruits and vegetables at a rate not seen since Jim Crow.

Convict leasing for agriculture – a system that allows states to sell prison labor to private farms – became infamous in the late 1800s for the brutal conditions it imposed on captive, mostly black workers.

Federal and state laws prohibited convict leasing for most of the 20th century, but the once-notorious practice is making a comeback.

Under lucrative arrangements, states are increasingly leasing prisoners to private corporations to harvest food for American consumers.

As current anti-immigrant policies diminish the supply of migrant workers (both documented and undocumented), farmers are not able to find the labor they need. So, in states such as Arizona, Idaho and Washington that grow labor-intensive crops like onions, apples and tomatoes, prison systems have responded by leasing convicts to growers desperate for workers.

(Creative Commons license)

https://www.hcn.org/articles/agriculture-farmers-turn-to-prisons-labor-to-fill-labor-needs/

Norrrm

(3,960 posts)
18. " jeopardizing her ability to hire the workers she needs for this season's harvest."
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 02:39 PM
Mar 2025

Hire the republicans who lost their jobs to the now deported undoc immigrants.

Strelnikov_

(8,096 posts)
19. Face. It's What's for Dinner.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 02:47 PM
Mar 2025

Thanks farmers!

Cirsium

(3,342 posts)
38. Wrong target
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:53 PM
Mar 2025

There are not enough farm owners to have any impact on elections.

Solly Mack

(96,300 posts)
20. You'll bleed money now.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:10 PM
Mar 2025

NewEnglandAutumn

(262 posts)
21. I don't care
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:12 PM
Mar 2025

She is getting what she voted for. I save my sympathy for those who deserve it.

DeeDeeNY

(3,900 posts)
22. Cry Me A River
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:13 PM
Mar 2025

relayerbob

(7,359 posts)
23. Idiots
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:14 PM
Mar 2025

Republicans have never (or at least in a few generations) supported farmers. They support giant corporations who hire migrants to do the work at slave wages, perhaps. But beyond that, they only want their electoral votes, because they know they are more valuable, and cheaper to obtain.

GiqueCee

(3,369 posts)
24. If she had done the research...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:16 PM
Mar 2025

... that a third-grader could have done, she would have known that Trump doesn't care about ANYONE but himself. Sorry, Becky, but you brought this on yourself. You, and others like you, are responsible for the horrors we're all facing now. Thanks a pantload.

ananda

(34,350 posts)
25. Crazy idiocy. Republicans have NOT always been good for farmers.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:16 PM
Mar 2025

The New Deal literally saved my grandparents' family,
kept them from starving to death, gave my dad a job
with the CCC, etc.

They thought Roosevelt was God.

Tribetime

(7,049 posts)
26. You can't fix stupid.Sounds like she still supports drump
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:17 PM
Mar 2025

Lokee11

(394 posts)
27. AWwwwww
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:19 PM
Mar 2025

Well bless her little MORONIC heart ❤️!!!!




Deep State Witch

(12,545 posts)
28. Leopard Chow
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:20 PM
Mar 2025

Congrats, honey. Your face just became leopard chow.

al bupp

(2,539 posts)
29. If there's any more schadenfreude in this thread
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:24 PM
Mar 2025

I'll have to go get a virtual train coat for al the crocodile tears being shed.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,113 posts)
39. OH, but...
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:54 PM
Mar 2025

al bupp

(2,539 posts)
50. I know, right!
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:44 PM
Mar 2025

jrthin

(5,215 posts)
30. A common theme coming from tsf supporters: their utter selfishness.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:24 PM
Mar 2025

mdbl

(8,080 posts)
31. "I'll admit to you, I bleed Republican. However, this has left a sour taste in my mouth,"
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:27 PM
Mar 2025

Farmers are so good at farming and so dumb at politics to the point of being self-destructive.

Ocelot II

(128,950 posts)
33. Pretty soon the leopards will be too fat to climb up and lurk in her cherry trees,
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:34 PM
Mar 2025

but it will be too late.

Bobstandard

(2,176 posts)
36. Bleed Republican. like so many others
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:49 PM
Mar 2025

Dems might dress the wound but it will probably be too late

Aristus

(71,613 posts)
51. If she bleeds out,
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:47 PM
Mar 2025

small loss.

I almost can’t believe I’m saying something so cruel. But we know how the MAGAts hate empathy and compassion. So we have to speak a language they understand.

Demobrat

(10,262 posts)
40. You should be proud to sacrifice for your orange god.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:55 PM
Mar 2025

It’s patriotic. Pain before gain, and all that.

Raven123

(7,501 posts)
41. What positives did farmers see from Trump's previous tariffs?
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:07 PM
Mar 2025

Hadn’t heard that before

Americanme

(366 posts)
53. They got the bailout
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 05:22 PM
Mar 2025

that we taxpayers paid for. I seem to remember a lot of farm bankruptcies and farmer suicides before that.

Dave Bowman

(6,582 posts)
42. I won't shed any tears for that selfish idiot.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:10 PM
Mar 2025

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
54. Me either
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 05:30 PM
Mar 2025

RainCaster

(13,382 posts)
43. Kissing TSF's butt left a "sour taste in her mouth"
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:14 PM
Mar 2025

I have no fucks to give.

Justice matters.

(9,332 posts)
44. Tell her she's a "communist" for cashing in subsidies from the gobernment.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:15 PM
Mar 2025

Well, that's how her hair furhair calls the left so it's time to lift yourself up from your bootstraps, stupido.

Blue Full Moon

(3,128 posts)
45. That's JD's thing, he buys bankrupt family farms.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:27 PM
Mar 2025
 

ButchMcMuffin

(81 posts)
46. Start growing weed you dumb bitch
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:29 PM
Mar 2025

It's more profitable than cherries.

angrychair

(11,650 posts)
48. Just insane
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:37 PM
Mar 2025

This statement is demonstrably not true...ever. Never.

“I was expecting to see a drastic turnaround for the better for my farm because the Republicans have always been for the American farmer,” said Carlson, a longtime Republican and Trump supporter.


That is the thing that blows my mind is this is a completely fact free statement that should be evident all around any rural farmers. I know several. All Republicans and I cannot for the life of me understand why.
The lightly or completely unregulated use of pesticides and chemical fertilizers and steroids and waste run off, has been ruinous for many small family farms in the long run.
Republican trade imbalances. Big corporate factory farms. Mono-cropping corn. Anti immigration policies, all hurt family farms.

yardwork

(68,938 posts)
52. Republicans are NOT friends to American farmers.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 04:53 PM
Mar 2025

They're just not.

And during Trump's first term a lot of farmers suffered from the tariffs and random deportations, but most of them just blamed Obama.

Pototan

(2,976 posts)
56. Farmers and Veterans have something in common
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 05:51 PM
Mar 2025

They both voted 70% for Trump.

And both groups are getting fucked the hardest by Trump.

GreenWave

(12,250 posts)
58. Because now he has to work harder than last time. It's revenge.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 05:55 PM
Mar 2025

mwb970

(12,067 posts)
57. 'The Republicans have always been for the American farmer," said Carlson, a longtime Republican and Trump supporter.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 05:52 PM
Mar 2025

Rebecca. The republicans have never been for the American farmer. FIFY.

Lasher

(29,382 posts)
59. Locking.
Sat Mar 22, 2025, 06:14 PM
Mar 2025

We see this as a feature story.

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