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MayReasonRule

(2,823 posts)
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 03:40 PM Wednesday

EXCLUSIVE: DOD has deployed Signal on government devices overriding their own policy

Source: F. P. Wellman On Substack

A high level source in DOD has confirmed that they were ordered to approve installation of Signal on government devices by Trump officials last month

Ignoring their own protocols

A high level information security source inside the Department of Defense has informed me that a month ago they were ordered by political appointees to ignore information security regulations and install Signal on government phones for senior leaders.

This story likely confirms that Signal is a primary means of communications for Trump Administration senior leaders in direct violation of the Presidential Records Act, the Espionage Act, and numerous national security regulations. It appears that much of our national security communications are vulnerable to foreign intelligence agencies to access at the highest levels of our government.

With the explosive news that senior Trump Administration officials had used a Signal chat group that included Atlantic Editor in Chief Jeffrey Goldberg to plan attacks on Yemen questions have been raised about how prevalent the use of the off the shelf civilian app is being used. I can confirm that it has become a primary means of communication.

Read more: https://fpwellman.substack.com/p/exclusive-dod-has-deployed-signal



[link:https://bsky.app/profile/meidastouch.com/post/3llcdoubjec2mMeidas is now reporting on it as well...]


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EXCLUSIVE: DOD has deployed Signal on government devices overriding their own policy (Original Post) MayReasonRule Wednesday OP
Kick SheltieLover Wednesday #1
Damn them!!! Their intentions revealed!!!! Ninga Wednesday #2
What is being left out of a lot of conversation about Signal neohippie Wednesday #3
The whole damn lot of them are compromised & complicit. NotHardly Wednesday #8
To not preserve and archive communications is the great feature of the app. LiberalArkie Wednesday #10
They are using it to get around records and retention laws. underpants Wednesday #33
Yep. The DNC recommended it also during the 2016 election LiberalArkie Wednesday #35
The DNC isn't the Fedrul Gubmint maxsolomon Thursday #56
Yes, The feds preferred the SMS messages which were not encrypted at all. Still are not. LiberalArkie Thursday #57
They knew better, but they wanted the assumed secrecy and the quick erasure of the whole communication chain. Lonestarblue Thursday #52
The NSA did its due diligence of 'duty to warn.' Now SCOTUS has to do its job and ban all govt comms use of Signal. ancianita Thursday #55
They will get someone in the military or CIA killed. Irish_Dem Wednesday #4
They Slaughtered At Least 800,000 Of Us During The First Wave Of COVID Is My Understanding... MayReasonRule Wednesday #21
Yes Irish_Dem Wednesday #23
several CIA agents were killed at the end of Dump's first term, thought to be from him giving away LymphocyteLover Thursday #49
Yes a number of assets and agents went missing. Irish_Dem Thursday #50
So does Elon or the Tr*ump Organization have a financial stake in Signal? sinkingfeeling Wednesday #5
Indeed. Relevant. Inquiring Minds Would Like To Know. MayReasonRule Wednesday #22
They are using it to get around records laws. underpants Wednesday #32
A lot of people are missing this critical point radical noodle Wednesday #44
The administration wants to distract the public from this point IronLionZion Wednesday #46
Twitter did, but that was before Elon LiberalArkie Wednesday #36
Maybe that. Maybe just following Putin's orders Attilatheblond Wednesday #40
I would not be surprised if they did. Delmette2.0 Wednesday #43
So it was ordered by the montanacowboy Wednesday #6
I expect an end to questions from the press soon. Harker Wednesday #15
Schrodeinger's Chat... It's Both Classified And Un-Classified... It Both Happened And Never Happened... MayReasonRule Wednesday #24
Poor Elon. Left out... SKKY Wednesday #7
Sure enough. Orangecrush's topic was right on the money. Karasu Wednesday #9
This also blows one of the RW Ministries of Propaganda talking points Best_man23 Wednesday #11
Some, with permission, did use it sparingly and basically just for notifying someone....... chowder66 Wednesday #19
They refer to sites like this. Igel Wednesday #41
A bunch of criminal, fascists trying to cover their tracks... IrishAfricanAmerican Wednesday #12
A Putin-ordered move to be sure. dchill Wednesday #13
With Gabbard installed, Putin doesn't need to waste as much time explaining things as when dealing with Trumpsky. n/t Harker Wednesday #17
The DOD already had contracts for Wickr IbogaProject Wednesday #14
TIL -- I Was Wholly Unaware Of The Wickr Contracts MayReasonRule Wednesday #20
Wickr is named as each step was encrypted like a basket IbogaProject Wednesday #39
Both of those are decent if one recognizes their limits IbogaProject Saturday #58
This is the kind of opsec debacle that lost a F-117. Marcuse Wednesday #16
Well Done! MayReasonRule Wednesday #18
I guess it makes it easy for Russia. And anyone else who hacks Signal. 58Sunliner Wednesday #25
Almost a signal of total stand down. bucolic_frolic Wednesday #30
Firing squad. kacekwl Wednesday #26
If true, there needs to be prison time. Martin Eden Wednesday #27
As Long As I'm Online This Evening I'll Continue To Check For Updates From Other Sources MayReasonRule Wednesday #28
No word on 5pm news yet, as the topic is being discussed Martin Eden Wednesday #29
Right On. Thank's Y'all! MayReasonRule Wednesday #31
So who, specifically, signed off on the contract to install Signal on government devices? fargone Wednesday #34
this was included in Project 2025 Skittles Wednesday #37
The point is that ordinary phones are wildly vulnerable, despite "Secure" apps. usonian Wednesday #38
NOW can we boot the monsters out??? ailsagirl Wednesday #42
It's a disgrace proud patriot Wednesday #45
"Policy"?? What policy? Jack Valentino Wednesday #47
I call Wildfire. The whole apparatus of our military is now wide open to Russia. AmericaUnderSiege Thursday #48
Simple and easy for our congressmen and spokespeople: repeat as needed Hieronymus Phact Thursday #51
Reason for Signal use Jvp Thursday #53
The First Rule About NSA Signals Intelligence Is That You Don't Talk About NSA Signals Intelligence MayReasonRule Thursday #54

neohippie

(1,221 posts)
3. What is being left out of a lot of conversation about Signal
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 03:49 PM
Wednesday

The use of the app is approved by the Whitehouse for comms, the use of the app likely violates the requirement by the Federal Records Act to preserve and archive communications

And the fact that just last month in February the NSA sent out a bulletin warning about vulnerabilities and exploits that had them deem the app not safe to use so these people should have all known better

LiberalArkie

(17,747 posts)
10. To not preserve and archive communications is the great feature of the app.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 04:19 PM
Wednesday

No need to worry about tracing calls, when a touch of an icon and you are chatting away with the lord Vladimir.

LiberalArkie

(17,747 posts)
57. Yes, The feds preferred the SMS messages which were not encrypted at all. Still are not.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:49 PM
Thursday

The new RCS messages solved that between Android and IOS devices.

Lonestarblue

(12,479 posts)
52. They knew better, but they wanted the assumed secrecy and the quick erasure of the whole communication chain.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:20 AM
Thursday

Is Pam Bondi ready to investigate and prosecute violations of federal records laws? No. She’s loyal to Trump, not the law.

ancianita

(40,184 posts)
55. The NSA did its due diligence of 'duty to warn.' Now SCOTUS has to do its job and ban all govt comms use of Signal.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 12:50 PM
Thursday

Yeah, we know SCOTUS can't enforce the ruling, but it's an historical record, nonetheless.

Also, the NSA could also monitor the US Military's or Homeland Security or DoD people's further use of Signal and produce (or preserve) documentations that prove persistent violation of US laws.

Irish_Dem

(66,927 posts)
4. They will get someone in the military or CIA killed.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 03:50 PM
Wednesday

Perhaps they already have, we will never be told.

MayReasonRule

(2,823 posts)
21. They Slaughtered At Least 800,000 Of Us During The First Wave Of COVID Is My Understanding...
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 05:32 PM
Wednesday
Behold their field of fucks.

Note that it is barren.




Irish_Dem

(66,927 posts)
23. Yes
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 05:35 PM
Wednesday

And by stopping the funds for many domestic and foreign aid programs, there will be many deaths.

LymphocyteLover

(7,644 posts)
49. several CIA agents were killed at the end of Dump's first term, thought to be from him giving away
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:50 AM
Thursday

their info to Putin, his master

Irish_Dem

(66,927 posts)
50. Yes a number of assets and agents went missing.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:53 AM
Thursday

One agent at the Kremlin had to have an immediate extraction from the premises.
Got out in the nick of time.

radical noodle

(9,761 posts)
44. A lot of people are missing this critical point
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 10:24 PM
Wednesday

What exactly are they hiding or planning to hide?

IronLionZion

(48,219 posts)
46. The administration wants to distract the public from this point
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 11:41 PM
Wednesday

they don't want records archived or used in future legal consequences against them. Records keeping was the downfall of many Nazis at the Nuremburg trials.

LiberalArkie

(17,747 posts)
36. Twitter did, but that was before Elon
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 07:22 PM
Wednesday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)


2010–2013: Origins
Signal is the successor of the RedPhone encrypted voice calling app and the TextSecure encrypted texting program. The beta versions of RedPhone and TextSecure were first launched in May 2010 by Whisper Systems,[55] a startup company co-founded by security researcher Moxie Marlinspike and roboticist Stuart Anderson.[56][57] Whisper Systems also produced a firewall and tools for encrypting other forms of data.[56][58] All of these were proprietary enterprise mobile security software and were only available for Android.

In November 2011, Whisper Systems announced that it had been acquired by Twitter. Neither company disclosed the financial terms of the deal.[59] The acquisition was done "primarily so that Mr. Marlinspike could help the then-startup improve its security".[60] Shortly after the acquisition, Whisper Systems' RedPhone service was made unavailable.[61] Some criticized the removal, arguing that the software was "specifically targeted [to help] people under repressive regimes" and that it left people like the Egyptians in "a dangerous position" during the events of the Egyptian revolution of 2011.[62]

Twitter released TextSecure as free and open-source software under the GPLv3 license in December 2011.[56][63][64][65] RedPhone was also released under the same license in July 2012.[66] Marlinspike later left Twitter and founded Open Whisper Systems as a collaborative Open Source project for the continued development of TextSecure and RedPhone.[1][67]

montanacowboy

(6,468 posts)
6. So it was ordered by the
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 03:52 PM
Wednesday

big fat orange slob's Officials? and he KNEW Nothing?????????

Oh Karoline, please talk him out of this one you lying lump of shit - by the way you need a much bigger cross

Harker

(15,912 posts)
15. I expect an end to questions from the press soon.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 05:08 PM
Wednesday

Just her lying for five minutes, then skipping off.

MayReasonRule

(2,823 posts)
24. Schrodeinger's Chat... It's Both Classified And Un-Classified... It Both Happened And Never Happened...
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 05:39 PM
Wednesday


Best_man23

(5,211 posts)
11. This also blows one of the RW Ministries of Propaganda talking points
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 04:21 PM
Wednesday

That the Biden administration was using Signal when they got there and the Convicted Felon's junta just continued the practice.

chowder66

(10,298 posts)
19. Some, with permission, did use it sparingly and basically just for notifying someone.......
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 05:24 PM
Wednesday

Signal touts the privacy of its service — and experts agree it is more secure than conventional texting.

But it could be hacked.

Government officials have used Signal for organizational correspondence, such as scheduling sensitive meetings, but in the Biden administration, people who had permission to download it on their White House-issued phones were instructed to use the app sparingly, according to a former national security official who served in the administration.

The official, who requested anonymity to speak about methods used to share sensitive information, said Signal was most commonly used to notify someone that they should check for a classified message sent through other means.

more at the link....
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/heres-what-to-know-about-signal-the-messaging-app-used-in-apparent-leak-war-plans-journalist

Igel

(36,662 posts)
41. They refer to sites like this.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 09:00 PM
Wednesday
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/guidance-mobile-communications-best-practices.pdf

Best Practices
CISA strongly urges highly targeted individuals to immediately review and apply the best practices below to
protect mobile communications. Highly targeted individuals should assume that all communications between
mobile devices—including government and personal devices—and internet services are at risk of interception
or manipulation. While no single solution eliminates all risks, implementing these best practices significantly
enhances protection of sensitive communications against government-affiliated and other malicious cyber
actors. Organizations may already have these best practices in place, such as secure communication
platforms1 and multifactor authentication (MFA) policies. In cases where organizations do not, apply the
following best practices to your mobile devices.

General Recommendations

Apply these best practices to your devices and online accounts.

1. Use only end-to-end encrypted communications.
 Adopt a free messaging application for secure communications that guarantees end-to-end
encryption, such as Signal or similar apps. CISA recommends an end-to-end encrypted messaging
app that is compatible with both iPhone and Android operating systems, allowing for text message
interoperability across platforms. Such apps may also offer clients for MacOS, Windows, and Linux,
and sometimes the web. These apps typically support one-on-one text chats, group chats with up to
1,000 participants, and encrypted voice and video calls. Additionally, they may include features
like disappearing messages and images, which can enhance privacy....


The doc is dated 12/24.

Harker

(15,912 posts)
17. With Gabbard installed, Putin doesn't need to waste as much time explaining things as when dealing with Trumpsky. n/t
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 05:12 PM
Wednesday

IbogaProject

(4,181 posts)
14. The DOD already had contracts for Wickr
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 04:54 PM
Wednesday

Similar platform but w enterprise features and ability to have records retention.

MayReasonRule

(2,823 posts)
20. TIL -- I Was Wholly Unaware Of The Wickr Contracts
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 05:26 PM
Wednesday
https://wickr.com/wickr-awarded-us-air-force-contract/

Interesting.

What additional light might you shine on Wickr and Signal?

I've been out of the intelligence community loop since my father's passing 20 years ago. He was Army Security Agency, Corp Of Engineers, and Signal Corps. I was marching by the time I could walk, lol...
Parade turns and everything!
Anyway, lol...
Thank you for that additional info and I'd truly enjoy it if you're able to elucidate further!

IbogaProject

(4,181 posts)
39. Wickr is named as each step was encrypted like a basket
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 08:43 PM
Wednesday

The username password structure lost out to Signal, Telegram and WhatsApp which use phone numbers for id. Signal was designed by an ex NSA guy w CIA money. Signal is opensource but any security it or any of the rest relies on the device's security. Wickr got bought by Amazon and is subscription only now with a heavy enterprise focus. It has use in areas that need a mix of security with convience. Best for financial pros and the medical community where privacy and record retention are important but not for serious security uses. Light military use like calling muster is within its scope.

IbogaProject

(4,181 posts)
58. Both of those are decent if one recognizes their limits
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:35 PM
Saturday

The main issue is the phone operation system as anything on a screen can be imaged. Signal was funded with a CIA grant and started by a young NSA alum. Wickr had former Nat Sec principals but they had a different focus, they decided to make as secure an app as they could and succeeded with the limit of security of the phone it self and the end user. It is called Wickr as it uses separate encryption for each stage of the process woven like a basket. But these clowns are just going rogue and using the app to evade record keeping laws. My opnion Signal is fine for things like when looking for a job, planning a surprise party and maybe sharing investment tips it isn't for this type of use. Wickr is for low level secure stuff like calling troops to muster, medical professionals, any type of work that requires some information security and privacy.

Marcuse

(8,247 posts)
16. This is the kind of opsec debacle that lost a F-117.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 05:11 PM
Wednesday
‘Worse yet, the Yugoslavian anti air forces knew that the Prowlers were grounded, and knew that the F-117s were going to fly a strike mission anyway. How did they know? Because the Serbs had spotters and human intelligence assets in Italy, where the strike missions were flying from. They had also compromised NATO communications in the area, and had civilian source in Italy feeding them intelligence who had access to operational information. In short, the NATO forces had a massive failure in operation security, OPSEC, that was feeding valuable data to the enemy. The Serbs knew the strike was coming, knew the general route, and knew the F-117s would be flying without electronic warfare support.

The F-117 took blast and fragment damage. Flight control was lost, and the pilot was forced to eject.
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/an-in-depth-analysis-of-how-serbs-were-able-to-shoot-down-an-f-117-stealth-fighter-during-operation-allied-force/

58Sunliner

(5,522 posts)
25. I guess it makes it easy for Russia. And anyone else who hacks Signal.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 05:56 PM
Wednesday

At least our enemies won't be in the dark.

Martin Eden

(14,056 posts)
27. If true, there needs to be prison time.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 06:16 PM
Wednesday

I don't doubt that it's true. These fascists don't want their high level conversations archived in the records.

MayReasonRule

(2,823 posts)
28. As Long As I'm Online This Evening I'll Continue To Check For Updates From Other Sources
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 06:21 PM
Wednesday

I always like to confirm from three or more whenever possible.

I've got two at the moment.

Might you have another?

Martin Eden

(14,056 posts)
29. No word on 5pm news yet, as the topic is being discussed
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 06:28 PM
Wednesday

MSM may be waiting for corroboration.

MayReasonRule

(2,823 posts)
31. Right On. Thank's Y'all!
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 06:48 PM
Wednesday

I'm oven roasting bacon wrapped chili powder rubbed corn on the cob and heatin' up last night's Italian Skillet medley to pair with this Juicy India Pale Ale from Hammond, LA.

It's a gorgeous day down here in North Louisiana.

Spring has sprung and there's not a damn thing that the fascists ruling my state and our nation can do about it!a

Laissez les bon temps rouler!

fargone

(344 posts)
34. So who, specifically, signed off on the contract to install Signal on government devices?
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 07:16 PM
Wednesday

Tulsi Gabbard in hearings today said it was pre-installed on government devices. That doesn't happen without a contract.

usonian

(16,772 posts)
38. The point is that ordinary phones are wildly vulnerable, despite "Secure" apps.
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 07:52 PM
Wednesday
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20178471

It’s so damn easy to extract any data, even as you type it in.

Save yourself that long and tedious video. Videos put me to sleep.

It was all to circumvent government record retention rules. Like Dump, with borrowed and burner phones.

Jack Valentino

(1,701 posts)
47. "Policy"?? What policy?
Wed Mar 26, 2025, 11:56 PM
Wednesday

They do whatever the hell they want, and have no clue about any laws previously in place---
and further, they don't care what the laws say.... Trump trumps everything, in their minds.


When we eventually regain control of the government, as we surely WILL,
there must be a reckoning for these lawbreakers---
such as there NEVER was under Clinton or Obama---

They must PAY, so we never need to go back to such a place again.

Hieronymus Phact

(553 posts)
51. Simple and easy for our congressmen and spokespeople: repeat as needed
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:43 AM
Thursday

"Keeping secrets from the US is more important than keeping secrets from our enemies."

Jvp

(23 posts)
53. Reason for Signal use
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:56 AM
Thursday

I think I read somewhere that the messages disappear at some point, making conversations/!evidence that is usually preserved gone!. No investigations will be able to tract their interactions.

MayReasonRule

(2,823 posts)
54. The First Rule About NSA Signals Intelligence Is That You Don't Talk About NSA Signals Intelligence
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 12:07 PM
Thursday

The NSA collects all signals intelligence worldwide.
The NSA has them, they would just merely need to decrypt them... which no one does better.

It's a matter of requesting, litigating, and surviving the ride.

It's the sole purview of FISA court.

Speaking of which, James Boasberg is truly a remarkable individual, a stellar example of judicial resolve and dedication to the rule of law.

Hear, hear!!

I'm four days older than James.
He's an exemplary person, here's to his ongoing success!

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