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Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:15 PM Thursday

Canada Announces Bombshell Break With U.S. Over Trump

Source: The New Republic


The new Canadian prime minister announced the two countries’ relationship is “over.”


Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney gestures while speaking at a podium
David Kawai/Bloomberg/Getty Images

Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney officially broke things off with the United States Thursday, marking a seismic shift in relations between the longtime allies.

“The old relationship we had with the United States based on deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military cooperation is over,” Carney said during a press conference, following a meeting in Ottawa with his ministers to “discuss trade options” in response to Donald Trump’s “permanent” 25 percent tariffs on all imported vehicles and auto parts.

“What exactly the United States does next is unclear, but what is clear, what is clear is that we as Canadians have agency. We have power. We are masters in our own home,” Carney said.

[...]

“We will need to dramatically reduce our reliance on the United States. We will need to pivot our trade relationships elsewhere. And we will need to do things previously thought impossible at speeds we haven’t seen in generations,” Carney said.

[...]

The White House has pretended that the steep tariffs on Canada are a bargaining chip to help curb illegal drug trafficking—a threat so minor that it warranted no mention in the Trump administration’s first Annual Threat Assessment—but Trump openly admitted that he hoped to use tariffs to bully Canada into becoming a U.S. state. His bullying has since escalated into an all-out trade war, which could potentially devastate states along America’s northern border.

Read more: https://newrepublic.com/post/193287/donald-trump-canada-prime-minister-break



Usually "bombshell" is hyperbole. But this is serious and the adjective is properly applicable.

Here is a 77 second clip of the key part. Watch it to see a true example of calm, articulate, determined, competent leadership:



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Canada Announces Bombshell Break With U.S. Over Trump (Original Post) Bernardo de La Paz Thursday OP
Next ... the end of the world's longest undefended border. nt eppur_se_muova Thursday #1
Speaking of Border - at what point will the agreement for how the border is managed between US and Canada change Pachamama Friday #127
Razorwire vendors will welcome the business... wcmagumba Thursday #2
And Canada will pay for it! Bayard Friday #122
For some reason we (The U.S.A.) believe that every one and place needs us. That everyone place wants to be us. LiberalArkie Thursday #3
tRump takes it further. He thinks his most persuasive argument is that life will be less expensive Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #8
Re freedom, I agree GardenGnome Thursday #82
Well stated Music_Swims Thursday #91
It could and should be true. dchill Thursday #106
The ultimate fallacy. 2naSalit Friday #125
Things seem to be going sour very, very fast this week. Think. Again. Thursday #4
Agreed Prairie Gates Thursday #10
Boy Howdy! nt leftyladyfrommo Thursday #14
republicons have pissed and shit all over our good neighbors and friends BoRaGard Thursday #5
It ought to br over. creon Thursday #6
Just not that into you, dipshits. Now do you get the flipping obvious clues? BoRaGard Thursday #7
It's as close to a declaration of economic war that I've ever seen Prairie Gates Thursday #9
Bingo, bravo, well said. LittleGirl Thursday #15
I am rooting for Canada, too! ShazzieB Thursday #17
Even if Trump backs down in the next few days the Bev54 Thursday #71
Yes. Trust is lost in buckets and comes back in droplets. We will examine each droplet carefully. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #74
An enterprising New York Times data journalist should trace all Trump's comments on Canada Prairie Gates Thursday #18
Just a few days ago, chump repeated, BidenRocks Friday #126
"military cooperation is over," speak easy Thursday #11
Likely wild land fire assistance, too Jerry2144 Thursday #20
I hope we would continue mutual assistance in these cases Bev54 Thursday #65
I'm with Bev. Canadians recognize that people & their homes are separate from their government. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #68
Agreed. But I still can't help but wonder how Jerry2144 Thursday #103
tRump kicked over a bucket of trust. Filling it will require inspection of every drop. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #104
Jerry2144 ClarencesBrother Thursday #111
Defense enid602 Thursday #119
Thanks Bernardo. applegrove Thursday #12
THIS is very sad! TSF is allowed to destroy our relationship worlwide with the BLESSINGS from bluestarone Thursday #13
I am almost certain they will provide you reason to hate them even Bev54 Thursday #64
You got that right. bluestarone Thursday #83
Actually, Canadians easily and carefully distinguish between American persons and US government Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #86
Americans visiting Japan will be OK, RazorbackExpat Thursday #97
I sure hope so Bayard Friday #123
The world gave us a break after the first time we elected this monster. They travelingthrulife Friday #133
Hah! This is only the beginning. It's not even April yet. calimary Thursday #112
Powerful statement delisen Thursday #16
I would like Canada to take custody of me. Solly Mack Thursday #19
I would go live there in a heartbeat. llmart Thursday #108
Me, too. Solly Mack Thursday #109
This is something that CAN'T be blamed on... NEOH Thursday #21
Hannity and Watters will find a way. rubbersole Thursday #48
OUTSTANDING move, Canada! (nt) Paladin Thursday #22
Party time at the Kremlin tonight!! blue-wave Thursday #23
Poutine,Putin,Putain BattleRow Thursday #31
Sold out orangecrush Thursday #53
Arrgggg! SO Sad, and STOOPID!!! electric_blue68 Thursday #24
As the saying goes, you can't argue or reason with stupid Bev54 Thursday #79
Everything Trump touches dies. paleotn Thursday #25
We ain't dead yet. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #28
Yet. paleotn Thursday #29
I meant never. Canada means it will never be part of the US, a country that can't keep itself united. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #32
Oh! I get it. Sorry. paleotn Thursday #36
I was thinking that Signalgate might be the final straw heaped on top of the abusive treatment. We certainly won't have Amaryllis Thursday #26
As a resident of a border state I would like very much for Canada to annex us. Ocelot II Thursday #27
Amen. Aristus Thursday #33
As a resident of a state on the other border rwiliff Thursday #47
(Free Cascadia!) fierywoman Thursday #100
Province of Michigan. roamer65 Friday #136
Good God could somebody please birdographer Thursday #30
Since the video in the op, Trump has reached out to Carney and they are working on scheduling a talk. New video; Amaryllis Thursday #34
Like his "talk" with Zelensky? paleotn Thursday #37
Carney is in a much less vulnerable position than Zelensky and better equipped to handle a bully. I also think Amaryllis Thursday #45
True. paleotn Thursday #54
Ha! Now he thinks Carney is ready to "Make a Deal". louis-t Thursday #39
All that is on the table at the moment is a phone call, probably Friday. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #51
Well, follow recent precedent and meet in Saudi Arabia. rubbersole Thursday #56
Only a phone call is being arranged; probably happen Friday. tRump asked Canada for one last night Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #60
They are scheduling a phone call for Friday. Technically, the 2 videos are one today & tRump reached out last night. .nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #49
Sooner rather than later, the business centric Deminpenn Thursday #35
Can we break up with felon America too? Marthe48 Thursday #38
Bombshell Cirsium Thursday #40
Americans shouldn't worry about this too much. amcgrath Thursday #41
Prepare for gas prices to go way up and not just because of the orange assholes tariffs Javaman Thursday #42
Good work, Krakov. It's a start. Marcuse Thursday #43
it's like having grandma disown you Skittles Thursday #44
'Deep State' types don't like this kind of shit, Krasnov. Joinfortmill Thursday #46
Post removed Post removed Thursday #50
You should be ashamed of yourself - Canada has always stood by us. walkingman Thursday #57
Exactly right. EarnestPutz Thursday #61
Fuck you! Floyd R. Turbo Thursday #58
That's the one we're sayin' bye to. Cha Thursday #62
🇨🇦 Floyd R. Turbo Thursday #66
Oh Canada! Cha Thursday #81
🤗 Floyd R. Turbo Thursday #90
It's a shallow troll. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #59
This is good for Putin Mysterian Thursday #52
Donny the quicker fuker upper liberal N proud Thursday #55
🇨🇦 Unofficial statement. 🇨🇦 usonian Thursday #63
Very unofficial :) but definitely captures a good part of the moment. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #67
Divided we fall. Thanks Latinos, blacks, and Asians for Trump ffr Thursday #69
I find it difficult to find socially appropriate words to explain how bad this is for the US. TomSlick Thursday #70
We're not dead yet. Way things are going we might outlast the US. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #73
Canada will be fine. TomSlick Thursday #76
People notice when a country tries to kick its best friend in the teeth. America First becomes America Alone Lonely.nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #80
as some people say on here,, AllaN01Bear Thursday #72
The Alcan Highway MissouriDem47 Thursday #75
British Columbia considering double road taxes for US transiting vehicles. Alaska passed resolution supporting Canada.nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #78
This breaks my heart Dr. Shepper Thursday #77
YAY TRUMP!!! COL Mustard Thursday #84
Does that mean Canada won't continue to allow Americans into the country? no_hypocrisy Thursday #85
Canadians would very much appreciate American persons, American purchases, and American investments Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #87
Je suis Mme. Defarge Thursday #88
More finding out. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #89
Our relationship will never be the same again GardenGnome Thursday #92
This U S veteran thanks you, Prime Minister Carney.. Permanut Thursday #93
Canada is resisting and we will persist, like our American sisters persist Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #94
"Mission Accomplished" Ursus Rex Thursday #95
ITS ONLY BEEN TWO MONTHS Ruby the Liberal Thursday #96
Two months. Sheesh - the damage done in TWO MONTHS. calimary Thursday #120
Cut the oil. Cut the power. Close the border... no trucks short-cutting through Canada into Alaska. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #98
Thank you Canada and Canadians. SamKnause Thursday #99
Americans do have power against their government. Keep increasing mass action, then at tipping point it will be deluge.n Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #102
Economic boycott. roamer65 Friday #140
We could have elected Harris and literally none of this would be a problem. Initech Thursday #101
No trust VanceFan Thursday #105
Sad, but they have to follow thru. If they and everyone else cave to Trump demands, it means nothing. dutch777 Thursday #107
Can we get him to serve as Senate Minority Leader? NT maxrandb Thursday #110
At least until we get our shit together. AmericaUnderSiege Thursday #113
Once burnt twice shy. The desire is there, trust is not. tRump spilled century of good will; won't come flooding back.nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #114
The desire is to find a firmer foundation. AmericaUnderSiege Thursday #115
Yes, I think it will take big reforms in the US. Founders only imagined gentlemen landowners, not urban scoundrels Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #116
Really what we need are people willing to sacrifice for what's already written. AmericaUnderSiege Thursday #117
I'm thinking mostly tighten what's there so there is no room for equivocation and violations are more stark Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #118
The US needs to find a way to ensure the rule of law and to get rid of those in government who betray that Bev54 Friday #141
Yeah, pretty much. AmericaUnderSiege Friday #142
Sadly ClarencesBrother Thursday #121
And the chicken shit R politicians in congress and the senate did WHAT??? Trust_Reality Friday #124
Canada Mocks Trump Jarqui Friday #128
That is Wab Kinew, Premier of Manitoba. The people behind him look like Canada Bernardo de La Paz Friday #129
Loudmouth Bully Creepoid! Canada Kid Friday #130
More mockery Jarqui Friday #131
Thank you. That was fun! And true! . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Friday #132
Canada's next move should be to loosen immigration rules for Americans seeking to relocate SpankMe Friday #134
But they will need to apply a political litmus test. roamer65 Friday #138
Blowing up lots of bridges. This is not going well and it is intentional. Greenland, Mexico, Canada, Ukraine, Denmark. Evolve Dammit Friday #135
Hey American Republicans -- SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE Blue Owl Friday #137
Cut off potash. roamer65 Friday #139
And who can blame them??? Lulu KC Friday #143
Good to see Canada not taking shit from the region's bully malaise Friday #144
Only one question, red dog 1 Friday #145

Pachamama

(17,225 posts)
127. Speaking of Border - at what point will the agreement for how the border is managed between US and Canada change
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 02:17 AM
Friday

Currently you even clear customs inside of Canada in the import when you enter Canada from outside Canada. An unusual arrangement and effectively a diplomatic zone on Canadian soil.

LiberalArkie

(17,748 posts)
3. For some reason we (The U.S.A.) believe that every one and place needs us. That everyone place wants to be us.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:26 PM
Thursday

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
8. tRump takes it further. He thinks his most persuasive argument is that life will be less expensive
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:32 PM
Thursday

... as the 51st state. "No tariffs!" And then he says it will be "cherished". I think that would be like he "cherishes" Puerto Rico.

Carney and Canadians have made clear that our way of life is as important as our sovereignty and connected directly with it.

In my opinion, Canada is the free-est country in the world right now. Further, Canada is the only country that has free trade treaties with all G7 countries. Or did until tRump ripped up the biggest one.

GardenGnome

(76 posts)
82. Re freedom, I agree
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:55 PM
Thursday

Fifty plus years ago, after being in the U.S. for less than a year, I realized that we had more freedom in Canada than
Americans did in the U.S., despite all the fuss the U.S. made about freedom. At the time, it made sense to me because of the difference in our population. The bigger the population, the more laws you had to have to maintain order. At least that's the way it seemed to me at the time. Now, I would say it's a lot more about big monied interests wanting to hold on to money and power.

Music_Swims

(9 posts)
91. Well stated
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:24 PM
Thursday

My son spent his junior year of high school in Germany. One of the first things he told me when he came home was that the rest of the world does not think as highly of the United States as we think they do. It was a profoundly life changing experience for him and one I wish all students could experience.

dchill

(41,762 posts)
106. It could and should be true.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:24 PM
Thursday

It's just that many Republicans have never seen the value in it. Because they're mean and stingy, the world has to see it that way.

BoRaGard

(4,657 posts)
5. republicons have pissed and shit all over our good neighbors and friends
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:27 PM
Thursday

And so now our entire USA must suffer being regarded and treated as A-hole greedy hate-driven bullies. For that is what the GOP has become -- and as a result the USA is tragically weakened.

Bon chance, Canada!

BoRaGard

(4,657 posts)
7. Just not that into you, dipshits. Now do you get the flipping obvious clues?
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:30 PM
Thursday
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Prairie Gates

(4,650 posts)
9. It's as close to a declaration of economic war that I've ever seen
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:32 PM
Thursday

He is essentially giving a Churchillian "We Will Never Surrender" speech about trade and economic relationships. He's asking Canadians to sacrifice in order to disentangle themselves from the US.

Compared to Trump's usual nonsense, this is sober and serious stuff. If he wins the election, they wil go through with this, and our relationship with Canada will be transformed for the foreseeable future and likely forever. This is a watershed day in Canadian history and maybe in American history. If Americans think they won't experience any consequences from Canada essentially divorcing us, they should think again. Massive, world historical moment right here.

LittleGirl

(8,612 posts)
15. Bingo, bravo, well said.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:47 PM
Thursday

I’m actually rooting for Canada because I’m completely against these trumpism activities.

Tariffs, sheesh, I learned that in grade school. Tariffs bad. I guess republicans are just lying to themselves to support this b.s. if the Congress people are afraid to get “ primaried” then they should resign now and save their dignity before that’s gone.

This is nuts.

ShazzieB

(20,006 posts)
17. I am rooting for Canada, too!
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:03 PM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:45 PM - Edit history (3)

Who could possibly blame them? Who could possibly not have seen this coming? I certainly did. I was not at all surprised when I read the title on this post.

The Trump butthurt will be epic of course, but this is. All. His. Fault. (No, he won't see it that way, but we know better.)

Go, Canada!

Bev54

(12,278 posts)
71. Even if Trump backs down in the next few days the
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:45 PM
Thursday

Relationship will not be repaired, it will take a generation or more. We might get a deal on the tariffs for now but there is no trust for anymore long term deals.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
74. Yes. Trust is lost in buckets and comes back in droplets. We will examine each droplet carefully. . . . nt
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:47 PM
Thursday

Prairie Gates

(4,650 posts)
18. An enterprising New York Times data journalist should trace all Trump's comments on Canada
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:03 PM
Thursday

from the campaign.

It would be easy enough given contemporary text analysis methods and certainly the NY Times has done this kind of work before and has the corpus of all Trump's campaign speeches and rally speeches.

So, what all did Trump say about Canada during the campaign?

BidenRocks

(1,242 posts)
126. Just a few days ago, chump repeated,
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 01:17 AM
Friday

“We don’t need them to make our cars, and they make a lot of them. We don’t need their lumber because we have our own forests. We don’t need their oil and gas. We have more than anybody.”

What's this WE shit?

Jerry2144

(2,742 posts)
20. Likely wild land fire assistance, too
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:11 PM
Thursday

Our Canadian friends have been invaluable through the years in helping with our fires. And we have helped them with theirs.

It will take generations to undo his damage, if we ever can

Bev54

(12,278 posts)
65. I hope we would continue mutual assistance in these cases
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:40 PM
Thursday

As they are often state to province agreements in times of need.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
68. I'm with Bev. Canadians recognize that people & their homes are separate from their government. . . . nt
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:42 PM
Thursday

Jerry2144

(2,742 posts)
103. Agreed. But I still can't help but wonder how
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:17 PM
Thursday

Bad the relationship damage is. We flip the house and senate in 26. Then in 28 take back the White House. How do we get other countries to fully trust us without sending the Cancer of the Confederacy (AKA MAGA) into deep remission? And how do we cure that cancer? No body will trust us for a very long time

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
104. tRump kicked over a bucket of trust. Filling it will require inspection of every drop. . . . nt
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:19 PM
Thursday

ClarencesBrother

(16 posts)
111. Jerry2144
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:22 PM
Thursday

The Canada/US relationship goes beyond, dare I say this, the bonds of a marriage deep as that marriage can seem. So often each of us has worn our hearts on our sleeve, pledged deep and unparalleled allegiance to defend one another to the bone, shared science, arts, our best people from both sides of the border, industry, agriculture and yes even literal marriage between our 2 countries, the same language, sort of 😊and while we are the same, we are both unique.

Recent events have created something I never thought I’d see, yes America always tried to play older brother to us and we Canadians smiled inward knowing that younger brothers often shine brighter. Younger brothers have been known to stand up to the older dominant brother, I think what we’re seeing now is younger brother is no longer acquiescing to older brother. Enough is enough.
My wife and I have travelled in the US countless times and while met with the occasional indifference our take on the average American citizen has left us with many fond memories. Our current beef isn’t with the regular citizen, trust me when I say this. But I will also say with absolute affirmation that the trust between us has been broken to the extent that I think even my young grandsons will be wary of you. This is not to bash “you the people” this is to bash the leaders “you the people” chose to elect. Now Canadians, Americans and the rest of the world have to live with it, and not just the remainder of 4 years but far beyond it.

enid602

(9,244 posts)
119. Defense
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:11 PM
Thursday

I guess we no longer need NORAD, nuclear umbrella, etc. Putin should enjoy this.

bluestarone

(19,309 posts)
13. THIS is very sad! TSF is allowed to destroy our relationship worlwide with the BLESSINGS from
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:39 PM
Thursday

our RETHUGLICON House, Senate courts. I've never hated our government more than today.

Bev54

(12,278 posts)
64. I am almost certain they will provide you reason to hate them even
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:37 PM
Thursday

More in the near future. It is the ONLY thing they do well.

bluestarone

(19,309 posts)
83. You got that right.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:57 PM
Thursday

Hell, every American will pay the price when they go over seas. (ALL because of a SCUMBAG president)

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
86. Actually, Canadians easily and carefully distinguish between American persons and US government
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:05 PM
Thursday

Other places (not all) make the same distinction.

RazorbackExpat

(402 posts)
97. Americans visiting Japan will be OK,
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:47 PM
Thursday

as long as they don't try to pull any of that Johnny Somali crap or similar nonsense

Bayard

(24,607 posts)
123. I sure hope so
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 12:21 AM
Friday

I hope they don't think we're as completely insane as this Musk/Putin-installed president. If the missiles start flying, I hope they aim only for trump golf courses. I hope another good Dem president can win them back, along with the rest of the world.

Things can't continue like they have the past few months, on the international, or the home front. Somethings gotta give.

travelingthrulife

(1,911 posts)
133. The world gave us a break after the first time we elected this monster. They
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 10:49 AM
Friday

won't give us another chance.

calimary

(85,598 posts)
112. Hah! This is only the beginning. It's not even April yet.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:36 PM
Thursday

I’m horrified at how much wanton casual damage we’ve done. And in the first two MONTHS of this new regime. TWO MONTHS!!!!!?!?!?!

And ALREADY the talk is about how some of this damage may NEVER be fully undone. NEVER. Not EVER!!!

delisen

(6,856 posts)
16. Powerful statement
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:53 PM
Thursday

Carney is one of two powerful and ethical leaders in North America who respect people and the rule of law. The other is President Sheinbaum of Mexico.

llmart

(16,349 posts)
108. I would go live there in a heartbeat.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:31 PM
Thursday

I'm only 20 minutes from the border. I've been there many times and I can honestly say that it is so true that Canadians are about the nicest people I've ever met.

NEOH

(187 posts)
21. This is something that CAN'T be blamed on...
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:15 PM
Thursday

This is something that CAN’T be blamed on…Biden’s age, Hillary’s emails, Obama’s tan suit, etc…

blue-wave

(4,539 posts)
23. Party time at the Kremlin tonight!!
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:21 PM
Thursday

Maybe Witkoff can bring the party favors. What a sad day for both the U.S. and Canada.

electric_blue68

(20,520 posts)
24. Arrgggg! SO Sad, and STOOPID!!!
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:24 PM
Thursday

I've always liked Canada, and they have the absolute right to protect themselves!

Dunderhead Donnie throws
yet something else good onto the trashheap!!!

Bev54

(12,278 posts)
79. As the saying goes, you can't argue or reason with stupid
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:50 PM
Thursday

and unfortunately that is what they are expecting Canadians to do. We value ourselves more than that.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
32. I meant never. Canada means it will never be part of the US, a country that can't keep itself united. . . . nt
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:43 PM
Thursday

paleotn

(20,196 posts)
36. Oh! I get it. Sorry.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:52 PM
Thursday

I was thinking of the close relationship we've had for ages with Canada. It's now dead.

In my mind, unless something drastic changes soon, the US as we once new it is dead. We've got a sitting Dem Senator from Mass, during photos at the end of a Framingham MA town hall reportedly making an offhand comment that secession might warrant further discussion. Never thought I'd live to see the day.

Amaryllis

(10,188 posts)
26. I was thinking that Signalgate might be the final straw heaped on top of the abusive treatment. We certainly won't have
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:39 PM
Thursday

Five Eyes any longer.

rwiliff

(37 posts)
47. As a resident of a state on the other border
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:12 PM
Thursday

I would like for Canada to annex us.

Robert
New Mexico

Amaryllis

(10,188 posts)
34. Since the video in the op, Trump has reached out to Carney and they are working on scheduling a talk. New video;
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:48 PM
Thursday

Amaryllis

(10,188 posts)
45. Carney is in a much less vulnerable position than Zelensky and better equipped to handle a bully. I also think
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:10 PM
Thursday

he will not have Vance in the room with them and not have press there at least for the first encounter. He is a very strategic thinker. Carney will know how to set up so Trump does not have the advantage like he did with Zelensky.

louis-t

(24,114 posts)
39. Ha! Now he thinks Carney is ready to "Make a Deal".
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:59 PM
Thursday

Sadly, Carney will have to come here. Orange fuckstick felon isn't allowed in Canada.

rubbersole

(9,597 posts)
56. Well, follow recent precedent and meet in Saudi Arabia.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:21 PM
Thursday

Take Lil' Marco, Pistol Pete and Mikey Waltz with you. And stay.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
60. Only a phone call is being arranged; probably happen Friday. tRump asked Canada for one last night
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:25 PM
Thursday

It will be a while before tRump and Carney meet. Nothing along those lines is remotely possible right now.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
49. They are scheduling a phone call for Friday. Technically, the 2 videos are one today & tRump reached out last night. .nt
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:17 PM
Thursday

Deminpenn

(16,672 posts)
35. Sooner rather than later, the business centric
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:50 PM
Thursday

wing of the GOP will figure out a way to dump Trump.

Marthe48

(20,352 posts)
38. Can we break up with felon America too?
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:58 PM
Thursday

I'd like that.

I know this is serious. It's the only thing sane countries can do.

amcgrath

(402 posts)
41. Americans shouldn't worry about this too much.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:03 PM
Thursday

Because most of the rest of the world is going to do the same. - and that's something to really worry about.

Javaman

(63,476 posts)
42. Prepare for gas prices to go way up and not just because of the orange assholes tariffs
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:03 PM
Thursday

The Canadians just ran out of fucks to give

Skittles

(162,920 posts)
44. it's like having grandma disown you
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:08 PM
Thursday

how fucking bad do you have to be, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Original post)

usonian

(16,776 posts)
63. 🇨🇦 Unofficial statement. 🇨🇦
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:37 PM
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Nous nous battrons sur les Grands Lacs, nous nous battrons dans les érablières à sucre, nous nous battrons dans les stades de hockey et sur le monorail, nous nous battrons dans les sables bitumineux de l’Athabasca; nous ne nous rendrons jamais.


Oh wait (attendez)

We shall fight on the Great Lakes, we shall fight in the Sugar Maple Groves, we shall fight in the hockey stadiums and on the monorail, we shall fight in the Athabasca oil sands; we shall never surrender.

ffr

(23,157 posts)
69. Divided we fall. Thanks Latinos, blacks, and Asians for Trump
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:43 PM
Thursday

You and the uneducated white voters did this. So wear it proudly! You screwed the rest of the country and the world over.

FFS!!!

TomSlick

(12,261 posts)
70. I find it difficult to find socially appropriate words to explain how bad this is for the US.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:43 PM
Thursday

Canada was the best neighbor in the world. There is no justification for attacking a good neighbor.

Everything Trump touches dies.

TomSlick

(12,261 posts)
76. Canada will be fine.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:49 PM
Thursday

The loss is completely to the US. The US is quickly becoming an international pariah.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
80. People notice when a country tries to kick its best friend in the teeth. America First becomes America Alone Lonely.nt
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:51 PM
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AllaN01Bear

(24,433 posts)
72. as some people say on here,,
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:45 PM
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every thing ,,, touches , it dies at the cost of one of our best friends

MissouriDem47

(138 posts)
75. The Alcan Highway
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:47 PM
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Canada should make the Alcan Highway a very, expensive toll road for foreigners like the US and for both their trucks and cars.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
78. British Columbia considering double road taxes for US transiting vehicles. Alaska passed resolution supporting Canada.nt
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:49 PM
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COL Mustard

(7,309 posts)
84. YAY TRUMP!!!
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:58 PM
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I was tired of those nasty Canadians anyway. Let them eat moose, I always say.



Obviously I'm kidding........

no_hypocrisy

(50,899 posts)
85. Does that mean Canada won't continue to allow Americans into the country?
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:02 PM
Thursday

Or is declaring war a formality so they can use their version of Alien Enemies Act?

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
87. Canadians would very much appreciate American persons, American purchases, and American investments
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:09 PM
Thursday

We distinguish between people and their government.

Yes there may be some poor experiences here and there and I can't control that or speak for all Canadians.

Right now we are starting to hurt and are steeling ourselves for the hard times ahead. We will get through, but support is always appreciated.

GardenGnome

(76 posts)
92. Our relationship will never be the same again
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:25 PM
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I do believe you will retake control of your country, but by then, Canada/U.S. relations will have permanently changed. We will have rearranged things inside our country, between provinces, and we will have developed markets in other areas of the world because we have no choice. And having made these changes, we won't/can't abandon them when the U.S. returns to normal. That wouldn't be fair to those countries with whom we establish those markets. Plus, our entangled relationship with the U.S., what used to be a combined strength for both countries, has been shown to be a vulnerability that Canada can never allow to exist again.

Trump is doing damage to the U.S. that will never be undone, and I feel so sorry for Americans who despise him even more deeply than we do ourselves.

Permanut

(6,912 posts)
93. This U S veteran thanks you, Prime Minister Carney..
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:26 PM
Thursday

We need all the help we can get in dealing with this schoolyard bully on steroids.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
94. Canada is resisting and we will persist, like our American sisters persist
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:31 PM
Thursday

(not a gender thing, but in tRump 1.0 women expressed resistance as "persistence" and rightly so)

Ursus Rex

(352 posts)
95. "Mission Accomplished"
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:38 PM
Thursday

This has been a master stroke. What a bunch of dumbasses we have doing this in our name. God help us and I’m not religious.

calimary

(85,598 posts)
120. Two months. Sheesh - the damage done in TWO MONTHS.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:24 PM
Thursday

And we’ve still face almost four full years of this. (Minus two months, that is.)

Oopsie Daisy

(5,554 posts)
98. Cut the oil. Cut the power. Close the border... no trucks short-cutting through Canada into Alaska.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:00 PM
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SamKnause

(14,128 posts)
99. Thank you Canada and Canadians.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:03 PM
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Boycott the hell out of this fucking place.

It seems we have no power to stop these evil theocratic fascists.

The entire government and military is infested with these sick fucks.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
102. Americans do have power against their government. Keep increasing mass action, then at tipping point it will be deluge.n
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:16 PM
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roamer65

(37,509 posts)
140. Economic boycott.
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 01:59 PM
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Folks, time to take a machete to your discretionary spending. Cut monthly expenses where u can.

We have to make this fucker the reincarnation of Herbert Hoover.

Initech

(104,373 posts)
101. We could have elected Harris and literally none of this would be a problem.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:14 PM
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But nope, we had to give the fucking asshole another term he absolutely did nothing to deserve. Fuck.

VanceFan

(42 posts)
105. No trust
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:24 PM
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Why should any country trust or rely on America? We have no coherent policy. Every 4 to 8 years everything can change now. This country is now dysfunctional, thanks to the Republican Party. We look more like the 4th Reich every day now.

dutch777

(4,146 posts)
107. Sad, but they have to follow thru. If they and everyone else cave to Trump demands, it means nothing.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 09:30 PM
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Sure, the US is the 800 pound gorilla, but if all 30 100# gorillas in the G30 cave to Trump, it is game over and everyone loses.

 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
113. At least until we get our shit together.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:39 PM
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Once we do, there will be a tremendous desire to find an even stronger basis to restore what was lost. Or that's what I hear from Canadians.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
114. Once burnt twice shy. The desire is there, trust is not. tRump spilled century of good will; won't come flooding back.nt
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:42 PM
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AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
115. The desire is to find a firmer foundation.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:45 PM
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One that one guy, getting a minority of the vote, imposed by a foreign power, can't ruin.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
116. Yes, I think it will take big reforms in the US. Founders only imagined gentlemen landowners, not urban scoundrels
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:49 PM
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There need to be clear delineations of emolluments and their outlawing, greater separation between the machinery of the Department of Justice (prosecutors) and the Presidency, make clear the Executive branch can't do end runs around Congressional spending mandates, and so much more. It's a large list of reforms needed to strengthen American democracy.
 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
117. Really what we need are people willing to sacrifice for what's already written.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:55 PM
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Adding more words to the Constitution won't matter much if the words that are there can just be thrown away.

This is not a legal government. The 14th Amendment is explicit. These are insurrectionists, and they have no right to be in power.

Which means they are literally just a gang of criminals with no authority putting guns in people's faces, and doing it largely on behalf of a foreign power which has been fucking with us for generations.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
118. I'm thinking mostly tighten what's there so there is no room for equivocation and violations are more stark
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:57 PM
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... and that the prohibitions and punishments are clearer.

Bev54

(12,278 posts)
141. The US needs to find a way to ensure the rule of law and to get rid of those in government who betray that
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 02:20 PM
Friday

It has been revealed that the so called "democracy" is not so much. An entire party has rolled over to an Oligarch and so far nobody had done anything to stop it. The republicans could have prevented this asshole from even running again and they chose not to. Their choices and the voters that support them have brought down the American experiment. Until that is changed and roadblocks put in place for it not to happen again, then there will be no trust. The world has now experienced what can happen and nobody wants to go through this again. Get a proper democracy that reflects the will of the people meaning change the system instead of allowing a minority rule which is what you have right now.

 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
142. Yeah, pretty much.
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 02:29 PM
Friday

I believe we'll get things back and running without too huge a hassle eventually, regardless of all this shit, but it's obscene that it happened at all.

I'm skeptical that the Presidency is an office worth preserving, giving how much damage it has done in the last 60 years. It's also pretty clear we need a larger legislative and judicial base. One person representing hundreds of thousands is not democracy.

ClarencesBrother

(16 posts)
121. Sadly
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:33 PM
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this is not the first of American pain, a vast majority of you know of nothing outside of your country let alone your own state. You view yourselves and have been taught to see yourselves as ‘exceptional”, superior to others. Many have zero understanding of civics or the constitution whereas most other countries know exactly where they stand on these issues. I say many as I was in Montana a few years ago during your 4th of July celebrations. I asked quite a few of your countrymen in a tavern about the meaning of the Stars and Stripes on your flag, calculating for the amount of inebriation etc. I was staggered that only two in ten could answer correctly. Most Canadians could answer this. America, WAKE THE FUCK UP, you’re hiding behind something that doesn’t exist.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,683 posts)
129. That is Wab Kinew, Premier of Manitoba. The people behind him look like Canada
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:14 AM
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Wabanakwut "Wab" Kinew was born on December 31, 1981, in Kenora, Ontario. From the Onigaming First Nation in Northwestern Ontario, he is the son of Tobasonakwut Kinew,[4] a former local and regional chief and a professor of Indigenous governance at the University of Winnipeg, and Dr. Kathi Avery Kinew, a policy analyst.[5]

Canada Kid

(60 posts)
130. Loudmouth Bully Creepoid!
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 09:17 AM
Friday

Trump is supposed to call Carney Friday morning....conversation goes like this...

Trump: Hey Marko! How's it going?
Carney: Not so good, Mr. President
Trump: I'm talking to you from the presidential bathroom...on the throne!
Carney: Guess you'll be there awhile, Donnie...you know you're fulla shit!
Trump: Ha-Ha-Ha! Mark. That's a good one! What's funnier is my tariffs that I'm dropping on you!
Carney: Ya want funny? How's about I shut the power off? You'll be wiping your ass in the dark! How's about I block the bridges, nothing gets across. How's about I block shipments of potash, your farmers will have a real problem. How's about I block the southbound flow of oil and gas, you can all freeze in the dark. How's about your population rises up in anger and starts demonstrating in the streets? How's about the world turns it's back on the US as it can no longer have any trust or faith in the face of your nefarious actions over the past two months?
Trump: Ahhh, now now Mark, don't get so worked up. I was just joking about tariffs. Maybe we can work something out?
Carney: Nothing to "work out", Mr. President. Just shove them up your ass...just as soon as you finish emptying you bowels. Good day Mr. President!

SpankMe

(3,417 posts)
134. Canada's next move should be to loosen immigration rules for Americans seeking to relocate
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 11:15 AM
Friday

They'll draw off our talent and sanity (since conservatives won't migrate) and they'll become an economic powerhouse. We're a willing and ready resource for them.

I want to US to remain the eminent global economic Powerhouse. But it's looking more like our "leadership" is pissing that away by alienating and pushing away our allies. If you read the texts from the Atlantic article about the Signal chat group fiasco, they bash Europe a few times in that chat. All these white supremacists have such glee identifying as "European" instead of "white". Yet, they denigrate Europe constantly. I don't understand the mindset.

Evolve Dammit

(20,419 posts)
135. Blowing up lots of bridges. This is not going well and it is intentional. Greenland, Mexico, Canada, Ukraine, Denmark.
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 11:37 AM
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And NATO. We will apparently to be the world bully due to the orange guy and his sycophants' world domination aspirations soaked in a religious backdrop.
Wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. We are here Sinclair.

Blue Owl

(55,745 posts)
137. Hey American Republicans -- SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 01:44 PM
Friday

Go fuck yourselves and the orange fat fuck you rode in on.

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