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BumRushDaShow

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Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:45 PM Thursday

Lawmakers warn Trump he can't 'pick and choose' what to spend from funding bill

Source: USA Today

Published 3:03 p.m. ET March 27, 2025 | Updated 3:07 p.m. ET March 27, 2025


WASHINGTON – A dispute Thursday between key members of Congress and President Donald Trump threatens to complicate negotiations over federal spending priorities, at a time when he is moving to dismantle federal agencies and fire tens of thousands of workers. The clash over nearly $3 billion Trump is refusing to spend is a relatively small part of the recently approved spending bill that funded the government through Sept. 30.

But the conflict is at the heart of the dispute over whether Trump or lawmakers determine how much the government should spend. Lawmakers contend the Constitution assigns them the responsibility to decide how much to spend. But Trump and his allies argue Congress sets limits while he can spend less than lawmakers provide.

Senators: president doesn't have a line-item veto

Trump notified Congress on Monday he refused to spend nearly $3 billion that stemmed from a June 2023 emergency spending deal. The recently approved spending bill continued the same funding levels as negotiated in the previous Congress, before Trump took office. Trump declared the funding isn’t “truly for emergency needs” and refused to spend it.

But the top members of the Appropriations Committees in the Senate and House said Trump's move would jeopardize more than $12 billion in emergency funding. The provisions in the spending legislation approved earlier this month included $8 billion for rental assistance for 7 million people; $2.1 billion in food and medicine for starving people, and for military support abroad; $900 for NASA and $600 million to combat drug trafficking. Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Patty Murray, D-Wash., said Trump had to either veto the whole bill or spend the funding provided.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/27/trump-congress-appropriations-spending-dispute/82691778007/



OMFG. Why did it take 2 months for this to be "said" and for the media to even learn about this????


Link to Senate Appropriations Committee LETTER (PDF) - https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/32725letterreemergencydesignations.pdf

Link to House Appropriations Democrats PRESS RELEASE - DeLauro to Vought: “You have provided ineffective and misleading counsel to the President”

Link to House Appropriations Democrats LETTER (PDF) - https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/democrats-appropriations.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/2025.03.26-omb-vought-emergency-designations.pdf

And there was a refusal to go the next step to say "Impoundment Act", that happened with Nixon who tried to do the same thing -

Nixon's Impounding of Billions in Federal Money Is Complicated Issue, Abounding in Misconceptions

By Richard D. Lyons Special to The New York Times
Oct. 7, 1973



WASHINGTON, Oct. 6—In 1970 the Missouri Highway Commission sought Federal funds due the state from gasoline taxes to help complete Interstate 44 through St Louis and for other roads. But the money was unavailable because the White House wanted to cut spending and thus put a brake on inflation.

The result of the seemingly mundane squabble was a lawsuit against the Department of Transportation that the highway commission won, a blizzard of similar suits by state and special interest groups against 10 other Federal agencies over the withholding of Federal funds, a major confrontation between the White House and Congress over which conrtols the purse strings, and the addition of the word “impoundment” to the Federal lexicon. Viewed by an accountant, the issue might only be that of money — $28‐billion worth, or $14.5‐billion, or $18‐billion or even $21‐billion, depending on who is counting and how.

Some Congressmen have pictured the impoundment issue as an embattled Senate and House pitted against the “one‐man rule” of President Nixon, as House Speaker Carl Albert put it. Some constitutional authorities may regard impoundment merely as the interpretation of that section of Article I that states that “no money shall be drawn from the treasury but in consequence of appropriations made by law.” And to some in state government the issue is not only money but also deception, even outright “lying,” by some Federal agencies about the amounts of Federal money due their local counterparts.

The impoundment issue is complicated, in part because of practices dating back 170 years, to the conflicting wording of even recently enacted legislation, to the lack of a clear decision by the Supreme Court, and to the current struggle between the President and Congress over unrelated matters such as the Watergate tapes.

(snip)


This resulted in Congress passing a law to clarify what can and cannot be done.

H.R.7130 - Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974

Public Law No: 93-344 (07/12/1974)
(LATEST SUMMARY)

Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act - Declares the purposes of this Act. Sets forth the definitions of terms used in the Act.

=Title I: Establishment of House and Senate Budget Committees= - Establishes a Standing Committee of the Senate to be known as the Committee of the Budget. Establishes such a Committee of the House. Outlines the composition and duties of the committees. Provides that each such committee shall make a continuing study of the effects of budget outlays and devise methods of coordinating tax policies with budget outlays.

=Title II: Congressional Budget Office= - Creates a Congressional Budget Office and outlines the duties of such Office. States that the function of the Office is to provide information to the Budget Committees of the two Houses and to other Committees of the two Houses with respect to the budget, appropriation bills, and other bills providing budget authority or tax expenditures.

Abolishes the Joint Committee on Reduction of Federal Expenditures. Provides for public access to budget data.

Directs the Director of the Office to submit to the Committees on the Budget of the House of Representatives and the Senate a report, for the fiscal year commencing on October 1 of that year, with respect to fiscal policy, including new budget authority, total outlays, levels of tax expenditures under existing law, projected economic factors, and any changes in such levels based on proposals in the budget submitted by the President for such fiscal year.

Authorizes the Director of the Office to: (1) equip the Office with up-to-date computer capability; (2) obtain the services of experts and consultants in computer technology; and (3) develop techniques for the evaluation of budgetary requirements.

=Title III: Congressional Budget Process= - Sets forth a timetable with respect to the congressional budget process for any fiscal year. Prescribes, under such timetable, the rules for consideration of concurrent resolutions on the budget. Requires that concurrent resolutions on the budget must be adopted before appropriations and changes in revenues and the public debt limit are made. Sets forth exceptions to this provision.

=Title IV: Additional Provisions to Improve Fiscal Procedures= - Provides that it shall not be in order for either House to consider any bill which provides new advance spending authority unless that bill provides that such authority is to be effective only to the extent as is provided in appropriation Acts.

Requires the Director of the Congressional Budget Office, to the extent practical, to prepare an estimate of costs expected to be incurred in carrying out each bill or resolution.

Defines "new spending authority" for purposes of this Act. Provides that it shall not be in order for either the Senate or House to consider any bill authorizing a new budget authority for any fiscal year unless such bill or resolution is reported on or before May 15 preceding the beginning of such fiscal year.

=Title V: Change of Fiscal Year= - Changes the fiscal year of the Treasury, beginning on October 1, 1976, to commence on October 1 of each year and to end on September 30 of the folowing year. Provides for the conversion of authorizations of appropriations to comply with the new fiscal year.

=Title VI: Amendments to Budget and Accounting Act, 1921= - Provides that the Presidential budget shall include the same elements as the Congressional Budget. Provides for five-year budget projections.

=Title VII: Program Review and Evaluation= - Requires the Comptroller General, upon request, to assist any Congressional committee in developing a statement of legislative objectives and goals, methods of assessment, and the feasibility of pilot testing. Requires the Comptroller General, when requested, to assist Congressional committees in analyzing program reviews or evaluation studies prepared by and for any Federal agency.

Authorizes the Comptroller General to establish an Office of Program Review and Evaluation within the General Accounting Office. Authorizes the employment of up to ten experts.

Provides for a continuing study of additional budget reform proposals designed to improve and facilitate methods of congressional budget-making. Requires that such proposals shall include the following: (1) improving the information base required for determining the effectivness of new programs by such means as pilot testing, survey research, and other experimental and analytical techniques; (2) improving analytical and systematic evaluation of the effectivness of existing programs; (3) establishing maximum and minimum time limitations for program authorization; and (4) developing techniques of human resource accounting and other means of providing noneconomic as well as economic evaluation measures.

=Title VIII: Fiscal and Budgetary Information and Controls= - Provides that the Secretary of the Treasury, and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, in cooperation with the Comptroller General of the United States, shall develop, establish and maintain information systems for fiscal, budgetary, and related information. Provides that such information shall be furnished to Congressional committees upon request.

=Title IX: Miscellaneous Provisions: Effective Dates= - Makes technical and conforming amendments to the provisions of the Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946.

Provides for the application of the Congressional budget process to the fiscal year 1976.

=Title X: Impoundment Control= - Impoundment Control Act provides that nothing contained in this Act, or in any amnendments made by this Act, shall be construed as: (1) asserting or conceding the constitutional powers or limitations of either the Congress or the President; (2) ratifying or approving any impoundment heretofore or hereafter executed or approved by the President or any other Federal officer or employee, except insofar as pursuant to statutory authorization then in effect; (3) affecting in any way the claims or defenses of any party to litigation concerning any impoundment; or (4) superseding any provision of law which requires the obligation of budget authority or the making of outlays thereunder.

Makes technical amendments to the Antideficiency Act. Repeals the existing impoundment reporting provision of the Budget and Accounting Procedure Act of 1950.



I suppose Susan Collins is sufficient "concerned" enough to express her "concern".
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Lawmakers warn Trump he can't 'pick and choose' what to spend from funding bill (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Thursday OP
Unfortunately, the CR that schumer assisted the republicans in passing... Think. Again. Thursday #1
After 4 years supposedly on the job, he still doesn't get it. GreenWave Thursday #2
Ironically, years ago, the GOP salivated at and demanded the ability of a President to do a "line item veto" BumRushDaShow Thursday #3
Trump will "pick and choose" all he wants and Republican lawmakers won't do beans about it. Midnight Writer Thursday #4
If that's so, How does Musk get to do it? Ford_Prefect Thursday #5

Think. Again.

(22,330 posts)
1. Unfortunately, the CR that schumer assisted the republicans in passing...
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 05:58 PM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Mar 27, 2025, 06:34 PM - Edit history (1)

...specifically (and unConstitutionally) states that certain budget items will be adjusted according to whatever the president says they will.

In other words this will have to go to the rightwing supreme court, and I believe we know how that will turn out.

Because of that unConstitutional directive alone, that CR should never have even been considered, let alone clotured and passed.

Edit to add:

In case anyone is curious:


H.R. 1968: Full-Year Continuing Appropriations and Extensions Act, 2025

Title IV, Section 1422, para D:

"If a sequestration is ordered by the President under section 254 of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, the spending, expenditure, or operating plan required by this section shall reflect such sequestration."

Source: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/hr1968/text

BumRushDaShow

(149,756 posts)
3. Ironically, years ago, the GOP salivated at and demanded the ability of a President to do a "line item veto"
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 07:11 PM
Thursday

Congress passed such a law but it set to only go into effect for the next President after passage... and that ended up being Clinton.

S.4 - Line Item Veto Act

And you can imagine what happened next (struck down))...

Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417 (1998)

Ford_Prefect

(8,309 posts)
5. If that's so, How does Musk get to do it?
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 08:13 PM
Thursday

He's violating the will of Congress every time he fires federal workers, or slashes operational budgets.

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