* but I wonder how long this will remain "on their permanent record" or how much it will cost them in legal fees, fines and penalties.

Does anyone know how to find the locations of protests planned for June 14?

but when they illegally enter a building to take it over and cause damage, that's when it becomes criminal.

Pulled doors off the hinges to use as barricades, graffiti, stickers, glued front doors, and damage to expensive equipment.

If any of the occupiers are students, they won't be shortly.

... a trial is part of the podium.

This is real free speech: speech unfettered by prior restraint. A jury decides what and what sort of sanctioning is made, including nullification of the application of any specific law. Also, prior to hearings and trials - a presumption of innocence.

Stuff you and I swore to defend.

They broke the law, now they have to face the consequences of their actions, that's how the US Judicial system is supposed to work, despite what Been A Dick Donald and his criminal org. are attempting to destroy.

You want them deported too?

As students, they did not illegally enter a U of Washington building.

You condemn the Palestinian activists for occupying a building, a building you falsely claimed students had no right to enter. You did not condemn the sit-in by Democratic office holders. Why? You oppose free Palestine speech.

Have you not advocated for deportation of Palestinian protestors in the past, or do I remember incorrectly?

the law, so, one more time, don't put words in my mouth that I never said, I've no idea where those words have been.

They too violated the law. Yet you've been given two chances to condemn them but won't. You're very selective in your condemnations of lawlessness.

that they considered this before taking the action that they did.
The bottom line is that if you consider the consequences of your actions, weigh your options and decide to go ahead and break the law, then you've also decided to take the consequences and take your chances with the judicial system.

See my post #35.

Methinks someone is merely spoiling for a fight. Obviously misstating what someone else posted isn't very nice...

damage rather than a sit-in. Apologies if I misunderstood.

Something the one poster seems to be blindly ignoring.

What damage to the building? Barricading doors? Please clarify.

On edit:
I just saw the link in another post. The university claims $1million in damages. That is outrageous and indefensible. Also destructive to their own cause. Stupid. Makes me wonder.

They have to know that's laughably quixotic.

non-profits, education -- in fact, better check everything before leaving one's room just in case Boeing has funded something to do with it in the last 100 years or so. Maybe just stay home memorizing holy texts while incorrectly wearing scarves in between vandalism events.

Sickos

It is beyond disgusting. Protesting is fine. Even things like chaining oneself to a fence and shit like that, which will get one arrested; which is often the point. But those defending/making excuses for wanton destruction and pretending it is some form of legitimate protest are disgusting.

I mean this:

"But those defending/making excuses for wanton destruction and pretending it is some form of legitimate protest are disgusting."

Let's apply that to Gaza and replace "protest" with "war". Then I would agree with your statement.

Protest is not war, and a university building is not Gaza. And entitled pricks who support terrorism from the safety of a university campus are not "freedom fighters". Duh.

Way to go, Freedom From Thought Fighters! You have puzzled the brainy engineering students: "Wow" ... why ... "It's just unheard of here."

Technology is bad capitalist empire racist oppression! Use rocks and sticks, as nature intended.

They spray-painted interior surfaces, glued doors shut. Fixing any of that isn't cheap.

As for their vandalism, that's bullshit, and not only should they be charged appropriately, but if found guilty, made to pay for the damages.

They need to pay every cent in restitution.

EDIT: I agree with community service as an option if it is calculated based on paying off the $40,000 estimated damage per student at a $16.66 per hour Washington minimum wage rate. 2400 hours of community service would get them there.

too.

Not that I would hire any of them if it was up to me.

be expelled from the school.

Oh I know! Everyone who supported or was complicit in its willful destruction should be made to work at mimimim wage until the entire $50 BILLION or more is paid off! Destroying people's homes to advance ethnic cleansing is bad. There are laws.

Then they can start on restitution to the families of those Palestinians who were forced from their homes and lands and not allowed to return. Theft is bad. There are laws.

There is such a thing as due process. Right?

Also we don't believe in collective punishment, right? Unless you're Israel of course. Then it's ok.

Let them have their day in court and determine who among them is responsible for the damage. That is how justice works, right?

legal theory of 'joint and several liability' right? Basically it means that is a group of people commit an act in which damages occur that any/all of those people can be held liable for the full amount of damages. So if one of these protesters had assets of 1M then UW could collect the entire amount from that one person.

The court system does not have to determine individual damage amounts per a persons actual actions. If you want to call this collective punishment you can but it is a common aspect of civil law.

Also I think you misunderstand the concept of civil disobedience. Part of that concept is accepting the legal consequences of your actions

You obviously know more about the legal stuff than I do.

But would this not fall under criminal, rather than civil law?

of part of the criminal sentence.

They can also be sued civilly by UW which is basically automatic if they are criminally convicted (since the burden of proof is lower for a civil suit) in which the joint and several liability concept would come into play.

They could in theory be acquitted in the criminal cases but still be civilly liable ( for example OJ Simpson).

The only crime that seems to matter and bring outrage for this contingent are the crimes - property mainly as there is little violence - of Palestinian supporters.

The horrific war crimes and crimes against humanity by Israel for 18 months - generations, actually - bring not a peep or tear.

Yet I'm glad to see talk of accountability and restitution. Look forward to their support for restitution by Israel of the $50 ++ BILLION in WILLFUL property damage in Gaza. More in the West Bank. I mean Israel is demolishing any homes left standing in Gaza as we speak and doing so shamelessly and in broad daylight. Where are the staunch defenders of the law and property rights when it comes to Palestinians?

There might even be hope of restitution and compensation for the homes and lands lost by Palestinians during the Nakba or Naksa.

But I'm kidding myself. Israel is not held to account, never has been and it seems never will be.

When the law is not applied equally, there is no justice - just a little reminder for everyone.

A reminder also that a HOME and a HOMELAND is worth more than pieces of equipment bought with the pocket-change blood-money of a weapons manufacturer. It's something that can never be replaced.

You didn't mention it in your post once, while describing hate speech in the course of a violent takeover of educational facilities and $40 million worth of damage as "little violence".

Care to comment on your unfortunate attention lapse without deflecting?