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LetMyPeopleVote

(165,175 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 07:33 PM Jun 9

Trump asks the Supreme Court to neutralize the Convention Against Torture

Source: VOX

Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

Federal law states that the United States shall not “expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture.” This law implements a treaty, known as the Convention Against Torture, which the United States ratified more than three decades ago.

Federal regulations, moreover, provide that even after an immigration judge has determined that a noncitizen may be deported to another country, that judge’s order “shall not be executed in circumstances that would violate Article 3 of the United Nations Convention Against Torture.” And those regulations also establish a process that immigrants can use to raise concerns with an immigration judge that they may be tortured if sent to a specific country.

The Trump administration, however, claims it has discovered a loophole that renders all of these legal protections worthless, and is now asking the Supreme Court to explicitly give it the authority to make use of that loophole in order to enact its immigration policies.

According to President Donald Trump’s lawyers, the administration can simply wait until after an immigration judge has conducted the proceeding that ordinarily would determine whether a particular noncitizen may be deported to a particular country, and then, if that noncitizen is allowed to be deported, announce that the immigrant will be deported to some previously unmentioned country — even if that immigrant reasonably fears they will be tortured in that nation.

Department of Homeland Security v. D.V.D., the case where the Trump administration asks the justices to neutralize the Convention Against Torture, is unlike some of the more high-profile deportation cases that reached the Supreme Court — such as the unlawful deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia to El Salvador — in that no one really questions that the immigrants at the heart of this case may be deported somewhere.

Read more: https://www.vox.com/scotus/416163/trump-supreme-court-deport-immigration-convention-torture



Trump asks the Supreme Court to neutralize the Convention Against Torture www.vox.com/scotus/41616...

Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser.bsky.social) 2025-06-09T22:49:49.676Z
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Trump asks the Supreme Court to neutralize the Convention Against Torture (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Jun 9 OP
Wow hildegaard28 Jun 9 #1
I know. I'm going, seriously? ananda Jun 9 #5
I never would have imaged a US president requesting this abomination. sinkingfeeling Jun 9 #2
That's how I felt when we started doing all this torture under Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. slightlv Jun 9 #13
Among the cruelest actions they want nt duhneece Jun 9 #3
Darker shades of Bush and AG Alberto Gonzales. republianmushroom Jun 9 #4
And Dick Cheney. ananda Jun 9 #6
Never forget Bush and Cheney hand in this. republianmushroom Jun 9 #7
Never forget that Cheney The Dick made $39.5B from his BS no-bid contracts in his two BS wars of aggression. OMGWTF Jun 9 #14
... trusty elf Jun 10 #19
Color me not the least bit surprised or shocked. Solly Mack Jun 9 #8
W T F . uppityperson Jun 9 #9
They are delightfully charming people, aren't they? Kablooie Jun 9 #10
Of course he did. Trump is trying to create a full-blown totalitarian dictatorship. Martin68 Jun 9 #11
Sick mofos. All of 'em. OMGWTF Jun 9 #12
Utterly disgusting karin_sj Jun 9 #15
Why the fuck doesn't he just die already? Orrex Jun 10 #16
Just to fuck with Vance get the red out Jun 10 #27
I am holding bdamomma Jun 10 #29
Really, I'm done angrychair Jun 10 #17
I mean, we don't adhere to a lot of human rights treaties... róisín_dubh Jun 10 #18
Will his shit never end? William769 Jun 10 #20
some day bdamomma Jun 10 #30
... William769 Jun 10 #31
going full Pinochet I see nt Javaman Jun 10 #21
Wonder how the good Christians on the Supreme Court will justify this? Vinca Jun 10 #22
So the "loophole" is a bait-and-switch scheme nuxvomica Jun 10 #23
Watch as "Christians" fail to speak out on this perdita9 Jun 10 #24
The world isn't divided between American Evangelicals and atheists. Jews will speak out... Hekate Jun 15 #33
Looking the other way Canada Kid Jun 10 #25
Why does Trump even bother? Bush and Cheney were not held to account for their torture of prisoners. Irish_Dem Jun 10 #26
So no habeas corpus here but willing delivery to other nation states bucolic_frolic Jun 10 #28
Trump Asks SCOTUS To Let Him Deport People To Countries That Will Torture Them LetMyPeopleVote Jun 15 #32

slightlv

(5,909 posts)
13. That's how I felt when we started doing all this torture under Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 10:03 PM
Jun 9

I still believe they should be tried for war crimes. Trump isn't even using the illusion of war to justify his sadistic desire. And I don't doubt for a minute these "techniques" will be turned against American Citizens sooner rather than later. And we must insist on a Truth and Reconciliation committee when we finally get him out of the WH. Him, and his nazi friends.

OMGWTF

(4,791 posts)
14. Never forget that Cheney The Dick made $39.5B from his BS no-bid contracts in his two BS wars of aggression.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 10:06 PM
Jun 9

That this mofo and his puppet GeeDumbya escaped a trial in The Hague for war crimes is a travesty.

Kablooie

(18,917 posts)
10. They are delightfully charming people, aren't they?
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 09:42 PM
Jun 9

Watch the Stepford SCOTUS give him the power to Hitlerize everything in the US.

angrychair

(10,732 posts)
17. Really, I'm done
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 01:05 AM
Jun 10

This is fucking insane. I mean batshit crazy fucking insane.
This asshole is literally asking for the ability to torture people or have them tortured in another country. What the hell is going on. This is not the world I hoped for as a kid. Literally the opposite. I am at a total loss for words.

róisín_dubh

(12,045 posts)
18. I mean, we don't adhere to a lot of human rights treaties...
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:23 AM
Jun 10

so why stop with this one (just in case)
For fucks sake this is nightmare fuel and will basically negate any of the country conditions reports I do for asylum seekers (many of them invoke the CAT in their asylum claims and rightly so).
Jesus fucking christ on a motorbike.

Vinca

(52,268 posts)
22. Wonder how the good Christians on the Supreme Court will justify this?
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:53 AM
Jun 10

Or how much it will cost. Trump's going to have to go back to wringing out the cult for money since Elmo's gone.

nuxvomica

(13,400 posts)
23. So the "loophole" is a bait-and-switch scheme
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 08:15 AM
Jun 10

Which is a form of fraud and therefore not a legal alternative.

Hekate

(98,236 posts)
33. The world isn't divided between American Evangelicals and atheists. Jews will speak out...
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 01:32 PM
Jun 15

…as will Buddhists, Pagans, Episcopalians, Universal Universalists, Jim Wallis of Sojourners — and many more if they know about it.

Seriously, let people know.



Canada Kid

(252 posts)
25. Looking the other way
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 08:31 AM
Jun 10

So this is what your CHRISTIAN WHITE GLOVED BIBLE PUNCHING ULTRA RIGHT WING MUTHA FUCKAS VOTED FOR!!! The Christian vote...."God spoke to Trump and asked him to be president"...remember they said this shit! And now there is SILENCE!!! Self righteous bastards every one!!

Irish_Dem

(71,367 posts)
26. Why does Trump even bother? Bush and Cheney were not held to account for their torture of prisoners.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 08:34 AM
Jun 10

bucolic_frolic

(50,976 posts)
28. So no habeas corpus here but willing delivery to other nation states
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 08:52 AM
Jun 10

to do the dirty work. Are we back to waterboarding, or progressing to thumbscrews and the rack?

LetMyPeopleVote

(165,175 posts)
32. Trump Asks SCOTUS To Let Him Deport People To Countries That Will Torture Them
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 12:35 PM
Jun 15


Trump Asks SCOTUS To Let Him Deport People To Countries That Will Torture Them w/ @farronbalanced

Thanks to the Convention Against Torture, of which the United States is a signatory, the US is forbidden by law from deporting a person to a country where they have reason to believe the individual could be persecuted or tortured. However, the administration is now asking the Supreme Court to allow them to use a loophole in the torture agreement to send people to areas of the world where torture could happen, but maybe also won’t happen.
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