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LetMyPeopleVote

(174,270 posts)
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 06:33 PM Jun 2025

Trump asks the Supreme Court to neutralize the Convention Against Torture

Source: VOX

Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

Federal law states that the United States shall not “expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture.” This law implements a treaty, known as the Convention Against Torture, which the United States ratified more than three decades ago.

Federal regulations, moreover, provide that even after an immigration judge has determined that a noncitizen may be deported to another country, that judge’s order “shall not be executed in circumstances that would violate Article 3 of the United Nations Convention Against Torture.” And those regulations also establish a process that immigrants can use to raise concerns with an immigration judge that they may be tortured if sent to a specific country.

The Trump administration, however, claims it has discovered a loophole that renders all of these legal protections worthless, and is now asking the Supreme Court to explicitly give it the authority to make use of that loophole in order to enact its immigration policies.

According to President Donald Trump’s lawyers, the administration can simply wait until after an immigration judge has conducted the proceeding that ordinarily would determine whether a particular noncitizen may be deported to a particular country, and then, if that noncitizen is allowed to be deported, announce that the immigrant will be deported to some previously unmentioned country — even if that immigrant reasonably fears they will be tortured in that nation.

Department of Homeland Security v. D.V.D., the case where the Trump administration asks the justices to neutralize the Convention Against Torture, is unlike some of the more high-profile deportation cases that reached the Supreme Court — such as the unlawful deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia to El Salvador — in that no one really questions that the immigrants at the heart of this case may be deported somewhere.

Read more: https://www.vox.com/scotus/416163/trump-supreme-court-deport-immigration-convention-torture



Trump asks the Supreme Court to neutralize the Convention Against Torture www.vox.com/scotus/41616...

Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser.bsky.social) 2025-06-09T22:49:49.676Z
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Trump asks the Supreme Court to neutralize the Convention Against Torture (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 OP
Wow hildegaard28 Jun 2025 #1
I know. I'm going, seriously? ananda Jun 2025 #5
I never would have imaged a US president requesting this abomination. sinkingfeeling Jun 2025 #2
That's how I felt when we started doing all this torture under Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. slightlv Jun 2025 #13
Among the cruelest actions they want nt duhneece Jun 2025 #3
Darker shades of Bush and AG Alberto Gonzales. republianmushroom Jun 2025 #4
And Dick Cheney. ananda Jun 2025 #6
Never forget Bush and Cheney hand in this. republianmushroom Jun 2025 #7
Never forget that Cheney The Dick made $39.5B from his BS no-bid contracts in his two BS wars of aggression. OMGWTF Jun 2025 #14
... trusty elf Jun 2025 #19
Color me not the least bit surprised or shocked. Solly Mack Jun 2025 #8
W T F . uppityperson Jun 2025 #9
They are delightfully charming people, aren't they? Kablooie Jun 2025 #10
Of course he did. Trump is trying to create a full-blown totalitarian dictatorship. Martin68 Jun 2025 #11
Sick mofos. All of 'em. OMGWTF Jun 2025 #12
Utterly disgusting karin_sj Jun 2025 #15
Why the fuck doesn't he just die already? Orrex Jun 2025 #16
Just to fuck with Vance get the red out Jun 2025 #27
I am holding bdamomma Jun 2025 #29
Really, I'm done angrychair Jun 2025 #17
I mean, we don't adhere to a lot of human rights treaties... róisín_dubh Jun 2025 #18
Will his shit never end? William769 Jun 2025 #20
some day bdamomma Jun 2025 #30
... William769 Jun 2025 #31
going full Pinochet I see nt Javaman Jun 2025 #21
Wonder how the good Christians on the Supreme Court will justify this? Vinca Jun 2025 #22
So the "loophole" is a bait-and-switch scheme nuxvomica Jun 2025 #23
Watch as "Christians" fail to speak out on this perdita9 Jun 2025 #24
The world isn't divided between American Evangelicals and atheists. Jews will speak out... Hekate Jun 2025 #33
Looking the other way Canada Kid Jun 2025 #25
Why does Trump even bother? Bush and Cheney were not held to account for their torture of prisoners. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #26
So no habeas corpus here but willing delivery to other nation states bucolic_frolic Jun 2025 #28
Trump Asks SCOTUS To Let Him Deport People To Countries That Will Torture Them LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #32

slightlv

(7,396 posts)
13. That's how I felt when we started doing all this torture under Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 09:03 PM
Jun 2025

I still believe they should be tried for war crimes. Trump isn't even using the illusion of war to justify his sadistic desire. And I don't doubt for a minute these "techniques" will be turned against American Citizens sooner rather than later. And we must insist on a Truth and Reconciliation committee when we finally get him out of the WH. Him, and his nazi friends.

OMGWTF

(5,000 posts)
14. Never forget that Cheney The Dick made $39.5B from his BS no-bid contracts in his two BS wars of aggression.
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 09:06 PM
Jun 2025

That this mofo and his puppet GeeDumbya escaped a trial in The Hague for war crimes is a travesty.

Kablooie

(19,032 posts)
10. They are delightfully charming people, aren't they?
Mon Jun 9, 2025, 08:42 PM
Jun 2025

Watch the Stepford SCOTUS give him the power to Hitlerize everything in the US.

get the red out

(13,943 posts)
27. Just to fuck with Vance
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:38 AM
Jun 2025

Trump will survive by his evil will alone, and to fuck with J. D.

angrychair

(11,639 posts)
17. Really, I'm done
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:05 AM
Jun 2025

This is fucking insane. I mean batshit crazy fucking insane.
This asshole is literally asking for the ability to torture people or have them tortured in another country. What the hell is going on. This is not the world I hoped for as a kid. Literally the opposite. I am at a total loss for words.

róisín_dubh

(12,226 posts)
18. I mean, we don't adhere to a lot of human rights treaties...
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:23 AM
Jun 2025

so why stop with this one (just in case)
For fucks sake this is nightmare fuel and will basically negate any of the country conditions reports I do for asylum seekers (many of them invoke the CAT in their asylum claims and rightly so).
Jesus fucking christ on a motorbike.

Vinca

(53,220 posts)
22. Wonder how the good Christians on the Supreme Court will justify this?
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 06:53 AM
Jun 2025

Or how much it will cost. Trump's going to have to go back to wringing out the cult for money since Elmo's gone.

nuxvomica

(13,860 posts)
23. So the "loophole" is a bait-and-switch scheme
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:15 AM
Jun 2025

Which is a form of fraud and therefore not a legal alternative.

Hekate

(100,131 posts)
33. The world isn't divided between American Evangelicals and atheists. Jews will speak out...
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 12:32 PM
Jun 2025

…as will Buddhists, Pagans, Episcopalians, Universal Universalists, Jim Wallis of Sojourners — and many more if they know about it.

Seriously, let people know.



 

Canada Kid

(257 posts)
25. Looking the other way
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:31 AM
Jun 2025

So this is what your CHRISTIAN WHITE GLOVED BIBLE PUNCHING ULTRA RIGHT WING MUTHA FUCKAS VOTED FOR!!! The Christian vote...."God spoke to Trump and asked him to be president"...remember they said this shit! And now there is SILENCE!!! Self righteous bastards every one!!

Irish_Dem

(79,367 posts)
26. Why does Trump even bother? Bush and Cheney were not held to account for their torture of prisoners.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:34 AM
Jun 2025

bucolic_frolic

(53,792 posts)
28. So no habeas corpus here but willing delivery to other nation states
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:52 AM
Jun 2025

to do the dirty work. Are we back to waterboarding, or progressing to thumbscrews and the rack?

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,270 posts)
32. Trump Asks SCOTUS To Let Him Deport People To Countries That Will Torture Them
Sun Jun 15, 2025, 11:35 AM
Jun 2025


Trump Asks SCOTUS To Let Him Deport People To Countries That Will Torture Them w/ @farronbalanced

Thanks to the Convention Against Torture, of which the United States is a signatory, the US is forbidden by law from deporting a person to a country where they have reason to believe the individual could be persecuted or tortured. However, the administration is now asking the Supreme Court to allow them to use a loophole in the torture agreement to send people to areas of the world where torture could happen, but maybe also won’t happen.
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