Seems like this could be jammed up in both the courts and congress for awhile.

This is far from a done deal.

Ironically, the fact that the 3/5th of a person crap was put there to GIVE "more population" to the slave states using the count of people (enslaved Africans) who were not considered "citizens" at the time (which is what the 13th & 14th Amendments finally remedied), is a case in point of how absurd they are.

And leaving it up to the reassigned ICE agents to determine who is a citizen and should be counted…



Like I said, far from a done deal, and can’t be completed before the midterms in any case.

the Census won't even be done by the end of his term, which *should be* 2028 (well before the 2030 Census).

Biden had to clean up his mess the last time with the somewhat delayed 2020 Census during a pandemic.

I could see Trump ordering them not to count anyone who appears not to be a citizen, without asking.

Like I said, this is far from a done deal, but the intent is to exclude the undocumented from the count.

Last name = "Hispanic-sounding"? You won't count (and that is like 40 % of BOTH California and Texas).

Immigrants avoid being recorded in the. Census?

The Census is mandated in the Constitution to count every resident of the US. It can't be an exact count now because of nonresponse but the final census count comes as close as possible

US Constitution Article 1, Section 2
The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

US Constitution, 14th amendment
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.

The Constitution explicitly says all persons are persons are to be counted, NOT just citizens.

He counted people, not ask them if there were US Citizens or what party they were affiliated with.

I just counted the people that were on my lists,
going door to door.

it will be done in world record time and magically it will reveal the entire country is nothing but white repukes.

If you don't count them, they're not here, right?

All persons in the country

And a census is not done just any time that a President or someone else wants it done. It is done once a decade, according to the Constitution.
Fuck off, TSF.

... it was really one of his major fuck-ups, once you get past the way he bungled Covid.

It looks like his new strategy is to get the Commerce Dept.to find all the illegal immigrants so they can report them to ICE. I mean, how else will Commerce know whether these people are legal or illegal?

The Census takers will need to go door-to-door all across the country.

Start suing immediately.

It won't work. We want the truth about trump and Epstein.

Besides the fact they will have more info to give to ICE. Either way they always have nefarious ulterior motives.

...but the number of seats in Congress would remain the same.

Just another waste of time, money, & effort.

…has enough undocumented immigrants to lose a seat, but could be wrong .

including Cubans - the biggest group (who are now persona no grata), Haitians, Dominicans, Jamaicans, Barbadians, etc.

Who do you think picks those strawberries or oranges?

ETA - there have been report after report after report of some farms in FL with inhumane conditions (akin to slavery) and trafficking for labor -

Trafficking: In Florida's tomato fields, a fight for ethical farm labor grows

…just not sure about how many of those are undocumented.

There are quite a lot and many who were trapped in an indentured servant-style arrangement.

California (1.8 million)
Texas (1.6 million)
Florida (1.2 million)
New York (650,000)
New Jersey (475,000)
Illinois (400,000)

This Pew analysis from 2020 shows California, Texas & Florida would lose 1 seat each and Alabama, Ohio & Minnesota would gain 1 seat each.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/07/24/how-removing-unauthorized-immigrants-from-census-statistics-could-affect-house-reapportionment/

What I am understanding is that he wants them to take the last census and remove the people that are not citizens. The problem with that is the last census did not ask if a person was a citizen or not. They would have to do a whole new census and there is not enough time to do that.

hopefully unneeded

It does show his dishonesty and stupidity though. He says they would use "the results and information gained from the Presidential Election of 2024". Election results would contain zero information about the population of the country, nor would it have any information about undocumented immigrants since they can't even vote. So there is no information to be gained from the Presidential Election of 2024.

President Donald Trump on Thursday said he has ordered the Commerce Department to re-run the count of the U.S. population that took place five years ago while excluding the counting of any person in the country without legal status. Writing on Truth Social, Trump said he’d asked the department, which oversees the U.S. Census Bureau, to “immediately” start what he called “a new and highly accurate CENSUS based on modern day facts and figures” making use of “the results and information gained from the Presidential Election of 2024.” He also said the new count would exclude anyone in the country illegally. Trump’s demand for a new census excluding migrants come as he is desperately pushing for Republican-led states to redraw congressional districts to make it harder if not impossible for Democrats to gain a majority of seats in next year’s mid-term elections.

This reads like he wants the commerce Dept. to come up with numbers based on the last census and the last election. what the last election has to do with it I have no idea. There is not enough time to do a whole new census before next year's election.

That information was not part of the article linked to in the OP.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-demands-new-census-using-2024-election-information-and-to-weed-out-migrants-in-population-totals/ar-AA1K5M31?ocid=socialshare

I'm not sure why other articles didn't include that context. It shouldn't matter though. The Constitution explicitly says the Census is to count all residents of the US not just citizens. And without a citizenship question being part of the Census, there is no way to count the number of non-citizens that were part of the 2020 Census. Not to mention the 2024 election results would contain zero information to identify non citizens. Also, Trump is too stupid to realize, excluding undocumented immigrants would not net Republicans any seats. They would gain a seat each in Alabama & Ohio but lose a seat in Texas and Florida. The Democrats would lose a seat in California and gain one in Minnesota. Net change = 0.

Any census that they do now is going to be a total farce and using immigrants as the cause once again is a nod to stupidity.

In fact, it takes over 10 years to do all the work necessary to be able to conduct the Census. Work on the 2030 Census began in 2019. It would literally be impossible to conduct a new Census now before 2030 - it will take 5 more years to get all the infrastructure in place to do it.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3508836

The schedule - https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial-census/decade/2020/planning-management/release/timeline.html

https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial-census/decade/2030/2030-census-main.html



https://www.census.gov/library/video/2023/2030-census-planning-is-underway.html

Trump Orders New Census, Declaring Undocumented Migrants ‘WILL NOT BE COUNTED’
https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/trump-orders-new-census-declaring-undocumented-migrants-will-not-be-counted/
USSC: : 2020: "declined to rule on whether a president has the authority to exclude undocumented immigrants "
David Gilmour Aug 7th, 2025, 8:29 am


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I have instructed our Department of Commerce to immediately begin work on a new and highly accurate CENSUS based on modern day facts and figures and, importantly, using the results and information gained from the Presidential Election of 2024. People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

The Constitution mandates a nationwide census every 10 years to determine how congressional seats are apportioned among the states which the 14th Amendment adds should include the “whole number of persons in each state.”

The push comes during a high-profile clash in Texas in which Republicans are campaigning to redraw electoral maps. Texas Democrats fled the state last week in a dramatic effort to protest the GOP-led redistricting bill, which could carve out up to five new seats for conservatives.

The Supreme Court blocked a citizenship question from the 2020 census during Trump’s first term and declined to rule on whether a president has the authority to exclude undocumented immigrants from apportionment counts, a legal question likely to resurface if Trump’s proposal advances.

not citizens. (Note the 14th amendment uses the word PERSONS not citizens). It's even more clear than the birthright citizenship question which is 100% clear in itself.

Ironically, asking a citizenship question may actually be constitutional, but using the answers to that question in the apportionment process is blatantly unconstitutional.

Able to go door to door.

Why can no one say "No." to this monster?

So in effect, non-citizens will not be counted.

Donald, 2030 Census would be under the next president and I invision TEXAS would Lose 10% of its population going South of the border. Due to your deportation plans.

Whereas, states like California, Illinois and Georgia increase in population.

Second, way the economy and every backwards positions you take, another vote for the next President as a Democrat.

Then, anything you put into place will be undone with a new accurate account of all citizens and people that reside within the US.

Hispanic voted for you last time......

It's of course another one of his distractions and red meat to his idiot followers but like a lot of things he "orders" it sounds good to the idiots but all he's really doing is what he is supposed to do anyway. They are already in the early planning stages for 2030 so he's created an order telling them to not count non-citizens in the 2030 census but he worded it to make it sound like the new census would be now and of course the media (and us!) have taken that assumption and run with it and given him more press coverage. This is all he ever does and we all fall for it every single time.