Ukraine banned from Nato, Russia readmitted to the G8 and territory ceded: what's in Trump's draft plan
Source: the guardian
Volodymyr Zelenskyy says he expects to discuss the plan which was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials with Trump
Guardian staff and agencies Thu 20 Nov 2025 22.11 EST
Donald Trumps latest plan for ending the war in Ukraine would see territory ceded to Russia, Russia readmitted to the G8 and Ukraine banned from joining Nato, according to drafts of the proposal seen by Axios, AFP and the Associated Press.
Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he expected to discuss the plan with Trump in coming days, adding any deal must bring a dignified peace with respect for our independence, our sovereignty.
The cautious response from Ukraines presidential administration stood in contrast to the outrage at the plan from some Ukrainian officials who called it absurd capitulation and the effective end of its existence as an independent country
The plan appears to repeat Moscows maximalist demands and violate numerous Ukrainian red lines and would require an about-turn from Zelenskyy, who has said giving up territory would be unacceptable. It would also probably be deemed unacceptable by Ukraines European allies, who have long insisted that they should be given a role in the peace talks given the broader implications of the settlement for the continents security, particularly on Natos eastern flank.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/21/trump-ukraine-peace-plan-zelenskyy-territory-ceded-nato-russia-g8?CMP=share_btn_url
Unless I am really mistaken, it does not look like Ukraine was involved in so-called "Trump Peace Plan"!!
The plan was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials, including the influential head of Russias sovereign wealth fund, Kirill Dmitriev, who has been involved in previous talks on Ukraine and is known to be in touch with the US special envoy Steve Witkoff.
The plan was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials, including the influential head of Russiaâs sovereign wealth fund, Kirill Dmitriev, who has been involved in previous talks on Ukraine and is known to be in touch with the US special envoy Steve Witkoff.
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Irish_Dem
(80,588 posts)Europe especially must do what they can to stop Putin or they will be speaking Russian before this is all over.
yellow dahlia
(5,370 posts)llmart
(17,484 posts)He has been an amazing leader for his people and doesn't ask anything of his fellow countrymen that he wouldn't do or sacrifice himself. Yes, Europe needs to step up more to help him defeat Putin.
ananda
(34,658 posts)This plan is going nowhere.
ck4829
(37,554 posts)Puppyjive
(963 posts)Trump is a traitor. He needs to be impeached now. They will find the connection. It's just a matter of time.
Demsrule86
(71,525 posts)Some if not all of the oligarchs have disappeared as in left the country. The economy is on life support...a generation of young people are dead in the war. Starvation is imminent.
For example, Ukraine recently knocked out the electricity to Moscow and beyond using their cheap bombs. Russia has no one to work on infrastructure since all their emphasis for years was on weapons. They ran the lines miles beyond Moscow. So one successful bomb could take down the entire system. And Ukraine sent a drone bomb hit one small area and did just that.
ancianita
(43,178 posts)Zelenskyy knows that the world and NATO are on his and Ukraine's side.
2naSalit
(101,469 posts)What a sick joke.
RazorbackExpat
(921 posts)Fuck that shit
sinkingfeeling
(57,593 posts)Hope Ukraine and its European allies tell TSF to go to hell.
Ray Bruns
(6,164 posts)FIFY
LymphocyteLover
(9,645 posts)slightlv
(7,606 posts)Surrender Ukraine? Not gonna happen. I don't care how many towers putin has promised to rump.
OldBaldy1701E
(10,818 posts)I mean, I would not agree to anything that Putin and The Orange Gibbon had concocted, and I would never consider anything that they offered from now on.
But, that's just me.
Martin Eden
(15,502 posts)This is nothing less than US collusion with Russia to reward Russia for its illegal invasion, and to spit on the grave of every Ukrainian soldier who died defending their country.
LPBBEAR
(647 posts)it would look like Trump.
Aviation Pro
(15,393 posts)"How about go fuck yourself? Will you take go fuck yourself, you fat, fucking pedophile?"
angrychair
(12,010 posts)The EU has given far more money than that US has given at this point (EU: $200 billion vs US:$130 billion)
The US gets to unilaterally decide who gets to join NATO?
The US gets to unilaterally decide who gets to be in the G8?
The arrogance is stunning and unbecoming of our nation. We are acting more as a bully than a friend and ally.
twodogsbarking
(18,194 posts)RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
(1,965 posts)Bank on it, if Ukraine accepts this death proposal, Russia will have public executions of Ukrainian citizens.and military personnel. Is that what America wants to see?
electric_blue68
(26,585 posts)Martin68
(27,411 posts)FakeNoose
(41,023 posts)Despite Chump's crazy love affair with Putin, I can't see that the rest of the Repukes are feeling the same way. The days of indulging Chump are just about over.
Happy Hoosier
(9,465 posts)It's not a peace deal, it's a surrender.
blue-wave
(4,856 posts)For starting wars, committing genocide and terrorizing whole populations. This cannot stand.
Borogove
(589 posts)At least until sanity returns to this country.
sleroy49
(74 posts)is a bit redundant.