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BumRushDaShow

(168,001 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:10 AM Nov 2025

U.S. pushing Ukraine to sign peace deal by Thanksgiving or lose support

Source: Washington Post

November 21, 2025 at 7:52 a.m. EST


KYIV — The White House is pressuring Ukraine to sign on to its new peace proposal by Thanksgiving or lose U.S. support to the country, according to two officials familiar with the talks, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive diplomatic discussions.

U.S. Army Secretary Daniel Driscoll presented Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday with a version of the 28-point plan President Donald Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff recently drafted with Russian envoy Kirill Dmitriev.

That plan, which has been leaked in the press and confirmed by several officials, included several red lines for Ukraine, including a massive reduction of its army size and ceding territory to Russia that it has not yet conquered militarily.

Although Trump has drawn down direct aid to Ukraine, the U.S. has brokered deals for Ukraine to receive U.S. weapons through European partners and continues to share intelligence that is crucial to Ukraine’s survival on the battlefield.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/11/21/ukraine-war-peace-proposal-witkoff-thanksgiving/



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U.S. pushing Ukraine to sign peace deal by Thanksgiving or lose support (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 2025 OP
Some deal... NewHendoLib Nov 2025 #1
Breaking! 3825-87867 Nov 2025 #2
Here's the actual photo. Ray Bruns Nov 2025 #13
Oh, that was sweet RazorbackExpat Nov 2025 #23
Maybe Putin is "Bubba" Turbineguy Nov 2025 #42
Threat and coercion are not negotiation. no_hypocrisy Nov 2025 #3
Thanksgiving is an American holiday ... it means nothing in Ukraine FakeNoose Nov 2025 #4
That was my first thought too when I saw the headline! EuterpeThelo Nov 2025 #11
first thing I thought.... American arrogance Evolve Dammit Nov 2025 #41
It's nothing more than a statement of surrender for Ukraine. sinkingfeeling Nov 2025 #5
As usual, no deal. travelingthrulife Nov 2025 #6
I don't think Ukraine will lose the American citizen's support............. Lovie777 Nov 2025 #7
But I suspect they feel a greater need for quakerboy Nov 2025 #34
You helped do this, WaPo. travelingthrulife Nov 2025 #8
I think it's time Ukraine said fuck you to the US Bluestocking Nov 2025 #9
They need weapons. maxsolomon Nov 2025 #36
It's Not So Much the U.S. As It Is the B.O.S.S. lavoosh99 Nov 2025 #45
Bubba Putin unzipped C_U_L8R Nov 2025 #10
One word answer to Trump's peace deal. Botany Nov 2025 #12
Please Zelensky tell TSF to SHOVE IT! bluestarone Nov 2025 #14
the U.S. doesn't have any leverage with Ukraine - Nigrum Cattus Nov 2025 #15
Is it treason yet? NT Happy Hoosier Nov 2025 #16
Sounds like extortion via Putin mdbl Nov 2025 #17
And sounds like appeasement. tetedur Nov 2025 #30
By Thanksgiving? If Russia invaded Turkey, would the US also propose a peace deal by Thanksgiving? RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 2025 #18
A PUNishing Betrayal 2na fisherman Nov 2025 #32
Putin's puppet can blow it out his ass. Just hope the diaper holds. Efilroft Sul Nov 2025 #19
And this is going to get Trump a Nobel Peace Prize......how?...... Aristus Nov 2025 #20
FU Trump and Putin! Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Nov 2025 #21
Why is a US Real Estate Magnate negotiating in Russia without a Ukranian representative? ChicagoTeamster Nov 2025 #22
This! RazorbackExpat Nov 2025 #25
Like that ceasefire agreement in Gaza which was violated before the ink dried? travelingthrulife Nov 2025 #24
Trump should know you negotiate from a position of strength Blumancru Nov 2025 #26
But Putin's strength over Trump is great. He has the Bubba photos. ChicagoTeamster Nov 2025 #28
Zelensky is not stupid Bayard Nov 2025 #27
Or letting Russia keep Karelia. maxsolomon Nov 2025 #37
What support??? n/t the nelm Nov 2025 #29
If this were to happen without Ukraine's agreement, The Madcap Nov 2025 #31
Why? Figarosmom Nov 2025 #33
I hope and assume that Zelensky has been prepared for this decision for awhile now LiberalLovinLug Nov 2025 #35
President Zelenskyy... ultralite001 Nov 2025 #38
Ukraine's message to the fat orange imbecile should be, "NO!!!" wolfie001 Nov 2025 #39
The parallels to 1938 Munich appeasement are ominous. paulrevere2018 Nov 2025 #40
"Peace in our time" AZ8theist Nov 2025 #43
What Happened To NATO Members OhioTim Nov 2025 #44
They are doing that BumRushDaShow Nov 2025 #46

EuterpeThelo

(292 posts)
11. That was my first thought too when I saw the headline!
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:48 AM
Nov 2025

Just another arbitrary and capricious deadline, just because he can.

Lovie777

(22,497 posts)
7. I don't think Ukraine will lose the American citizen's support.............
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:29 AM
Nov 2025

WH is full of shit. Same plan but more Ukraine land to Russia and negotiations with out Pres Z.

quakerboy

(14,809 posts)
34. But I suspect they feel a greater need for
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:02 PM
Nov 2025

missiles and ammunition than moral support.

They are in a very tough spot. Can Europe keep them going when Trump finally fully, publicly surrenders to Russia?

maxsolomon

(38,497 posts)
36. They need weapons.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 03:38 PM
Nov 2025

They need equipment.
They need ordinance.
They need missile defense.

The US has been supplying all that to this point. Whether Europe can fill the gap if Mfer takes his ball and goes home? TBD.

Trump wants it to end so he can claim credit and set Putin's money free.

lavoosh99

(42 posts)
45. It's Not So Much the U.S. As It Is the B.O.S.S.
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 04:19 AM
Nov 2025

Zelensky should tell the Burnt Orange Shit Stain to take one of the grenades he is threatening to withhold and shove it up his gargantuan ass (it should fit easily, his brain isn't taking up that much space.)

Botany

(76,915 posts)
12. One word answer to Trump's peace deal.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:29 AM
Nov 2025

No. It is a surrender document. Ukraine has to give up 30% of its territory and citizens to Putin,
Ukraine gives up its mineral wealth to Russia, and Russia gets to walk away from its horrific war
crimes. Trump is just turning over Putin’s wish list to Zelenskyy.

Nigrum Cattus

(1,268 posts)
15. the U.S. doesn't have any leverage with Ukraine -
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 10:18 AM
Nov 2025

the repugs have failed the U.S. and every former ally
Ukraine doesn't need to reduce their military for
anyone except the drunk ruskies

2na fisherman

(295 posts)
32. A PUNishing Betrayal
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:30 PM
Nov 2025

In such negotiations, Trump's goose is cooked because there was also something on the table that Grease (sic) was to be wiped out too.
Would Trump give back Alaska to Russia?

ChicagoTeamster

(705 posts)
22. Why is a US Real Estate Magnate negotiating in Russia without a Ukranian representative?
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:38 AM
Nov 2025

Ukraine is rejecting the deal already. They should follow up by presenting their own proposal which should include Russia withdrawing immediately to be followed up by war crimes tribunals and reparations payments from Russia and the Trump family and all of their businesses. And a NATO buffer zone 50 miles inside of Russian territory to include a No Fly zone. In addition, Ukraine gets immediate NATO and EU membership and the return or replacement of all of their Nuclear weapons.

Blumancru

(248 posts)
26. Trump should know you negotiate from a position of strength
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:44 AM
Nov 2025

And both he and PooTin are pretty weak now. He has no influence or authority to make anything happen Russia is in deep economic trouble due to Ukraine damaging their refineries. This will continue.

ChicagoTeamster

(705 posts)
28. But Putin's strength over Trump is great. He has the Bubba photos.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:43 PM
Nov 2025

Funny how that was leaked last week instead of years ago. After Ukraine successfully bombed Russian refineries and terminals and had their Pokrovsk resupply routes almost completely cut off. Putin wants the Donbas territory and the Crimea.

The Madcap

(1,845 posts)
31. If this were to happen without Ukraine's agreement,
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:19 PM
Nov 2025

Zelensky should immediately send every single drone, missile, etc., on a one-way trip to Putin, wherever he is hiding out. Oh, and maybe a couple of ATACMS to the nearest reactor to Moscow just for good measure. And maybe a crew of expert assassins.

Russia should pay dearly for this evil.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,634 posts)
35. I hope and assume that Zelensky has been prepared for this decision for awhile now
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:55 PM
Nov 2025

He should be prepared for this moment when he has to make a decision, along with his European allies, to break ties with the US and all the weaponry and intelligence they provide.

wolfie001

(7,470 posts)
39. Ukraine's message to the fat orange imbecile should be, "NO!!!"
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 04:49 PM
Nov 2025

Don't be diplomatic with these putin-lovin' nazis' either. Go with Europe until January 2029. I hope we still have a Democratic Republic by then.

BumRushDaShow

(168,001 posts)
46. They are doing that
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 07:53 AM
Nov 2025

Supposedly 45 gave them permission to buy from the U.S. and then transfer the arms to Ukraine. I expect the manufacturers/dealers don't care who buys their stuff as long as they get paid for it.

Thing is, I expect a lot of it hasn't been manufactured yet, but the orders are in.

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