Goose, gander, etc.

No "Halt who goes there?"

Yay

EU members can either response with force or do what France and Britain did when Hitler invaded Poland - which is nothin that mattered

Hope the EU is smarter.

Austria, Cyprus, Ireland, and Malta have historically maintained policies of military neutrality or non-alignment and are not members of the NATO alliance.

But, Canada, Albania, Iceland, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Norway, Turkey, and the United Kingdom are all non-EU NATO members.

The reality--which is worse in my opinion--is that we will be at war with NATO--our own allies.

Many of these members make their own military equipment, but they are all familiar with ours.

The country that could not bring Afghanistan to heel should have learned a lesson from Russia's invasion of Ukraine: you are not as big as you think you are.

Fighting 26 other countries aligned against the U.S. would be a disaster that would kill generations of America's youth and destroy trillions of dollars of America's wealth.

The clause allows for the neutrality of certain EU countries (like Austria, Ireland) and doesn't force them into a binding military alliance, focusing on aid rather than direct military intervention.

But yes, they do have a quite sophisticated alliance and command structure, though it lacks a single, permanent, large-scale structure like NATO's. I doubt that the MILEX really trains for battling the U.S.

I just don't think a battle with the U.S. has ever even really been considered by the EU.

I hope we do not ever have to find out how organized they are to take on the U.S.

I still think the NATO alliance is the thing we really need to worry about.

It has more members and can draw from a vastly more diverse population and resources. It already has a competitive economy overall yo the US and has the potential to develop a military industrial base outpacing any other state or alliance.

The only drawback is what you mention, which is their resolve to do such a thing. I think based on Denmarks words today, we likely cannot rule out the EU being more forcefully than NATO in the long run.

(Im basing my above comments on the assumption that any war with the EU or NATo would obviously mean the US is no longer a part of NATO)

...member country standpoint: 27 vs. 31. 23 would still be members of both.

NATO would have one big advantage over the EU which is a country that borders the U.S. in Canada as a base of operations.

But, given the large overlap between NATO and the EU it is probably about six in one and a half-dozen the other....

Interesting aside is that Melania's home country would be aligned against us.

The big wildcard would be what China, Russia, and India decided to do.

An ounce of plausibility to it.

That being said, I would imagine that most EU nations would have more loyalty to the EU over NATO. I don’t even think Canada would go against the EU even though it isn’t in the EU, but definitely could increase its ties to it now that the US has threatened invasion.

Honestly I’m starting to think NATO is a dying breed to be replaced by the EU shortly.

And I agree with you on the EU vs. NATO part. The EU would seem to have more of a common cause against the U.S.; while NATO has really been fashioned more to support the U.S. if things hit the fan internationally. I doubt NATO has ever even thought about what would happen if the U.S. was the thing that hit the fan....

And yes, at this point we have alienated Canada in so many ways I can't see them being truly on our side in a conflict.

And again...OMFG that any of this should even have to be considered!

I have a fantasy about a large swath of the globe entering the EU (in which Case it might need to be renamed). It's lack of federalization gives the possibility for endless rapid growth, although sustainability with that growth could be challenging as it becomes more diverse.

Nonetheless perhaps the major issues we are encountering today could be grounds for the possibility of my fantasy taking shape in the future.

I bet there are some serious internal conversations going on among the EU members--especially France and Germany--about what is coming for the rest of the world now that the U.S. has turned into an unreliable partner.

As a result of Emperor Tangerine's lack of support for Ukraine, they were already working more closely together. As a result of his actions in the Caribbean and Pacific they were backing off of intelligence sharing. The action in Venezuela has most certainly gotten them talking about a world where the U.S. is not an ally anymore--but an enemy. They would be remis not to do so.

So, certainly expansion must be on the table in order to shore up greater economic and military force to defend against such a foe.

And the current leaders of the U.S. should never underestimate the EU as a world power. But we have a much better track record of underestimating our foes than overestimating them, so....

Underestimating the EU seems to be one of the stronger inclinations among much of the population and current leadership.

But you really do have to wonder what their basis is for thinking any of these conflicts will be easy. Sure, we have a great track record of dominating the first week of a conflict, but after that we really aren't so good. It is very hard work to maintain an occupation--almost impossible with a small all-volunteer military force.

And it's not just us. Ask the Romans why they had to build a wall across Britannia? Heck, ask Russia why Ukraine didn't fall in a weekend?

And I used to think we all understood this fact, but it turns out not to be the case apparently.

Those who do not study history....

What happens when the US is actually up against an equally capable enemy?

For some reason I've thought about the film, "Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb" a lot lately.

I really miss feeling like we were the better of all the bad guys on the world stage....

Has been advocating for a stronger political union and a common military for Europe. This is increasingly possible, simply because English has become a common working language, but many barriers remain. Unfortunately, it may be necessary to take these steps in order to maintain a credible deterrence against Russia and now the US.

there is little doubt that putin nor his allies will stop with ukraine. the europeans need to be ready to fight on 2 fronts.

A recent analysis concludes that there seems to be a general need for a legal revision of the regulatory framework on the defense of Denmark. Some existing orders is said to effectively having no longer legal effect today.

Even though the Danish defence ministry claims: “The order on precautionary measures for military defence in the event of attacks on the country and during war, remains in force“ - there are a lot of doubt about this, and it will be discussed in the Danish parliament this month.

it's a good rule.

Period

The main fight now is exactly NOT about who shoots first, but about preserving some kind of common understanding on upholding the principles of international law based on the foundational UN Charter.

These are in no way perfect, but better than a world solely governed by military or economic strength. Which is why the US is trying to take back the power of war from the President to the Congress, and why it is necessary also for Denmark to have a framework for war based on democracy.

Trump is a Hitler wannabe, and Miller is his Goebbels.

That's why it's a good law. No delays.

... in peaceful and democratic ways. If you willingly want to play the same game as him, using military force in totalitarian and undemocratic ways, then you will win a society based on that.

you can't play nice with bullies.

... or you will just play their game and embolden them. That YOU cannot play nice with bullies, does not mean it is an impossible task!

Go up to an Ice agent or a Republican politician
or a rightwing billionaire and see what happens.

Please don't impose your inabilities and insecurity on me and others. Work for a change!

has helped us yet.

are two different things.

Shoot the fuckers. All of them.

Now WE'RE the bad guys.

They are descendants of the Norsemen and are not to be trifled with.

on That.

... during the German occupation. This is now actually part of what is taught in the Baltic by the Lithuanian Defense Ministry as a strategy for citizens' preparation for civil resistance to increase their resilience to external threats and ensure that they are properly prepared in the event of a military conflict.

Yahoo.com hosts a wide and diverse array of articles, including some from Fox News.

It is The Telegraph's reporters and editors that produced this article.

Trump hasn't had the Navy Seals kidnap the Little Mermaid from Copenhagen.

Rears its ugly head. 😉

They've clearly taken the lesson to heart.

Mexico!

TY, rivers!

invasion of Greenland? Will Pete Hegseth be the one writing those letters to Gold Star moms?

the first time on air, and then immediately forgets.

Navy patrols, Air Forces, and anti-ship/aircraft batteries operated in Greenland by those allies would go a long way to foiling President Miller's evil plans.

I foreign forces land in the US, I expect US commanders to respond in force without waiting for orders.

But are they a match for the US military? Maybe in a few years?

How did that one turn out?

Elderly South Vietnamese locals still talk proudly of how they drove out the invaders. (Invaders being American troops.)

The neutral Swiss require every family to own a weapon to be used at a moment's notice. I don't want our troops harmed in any way, but I'm glad they're preparing.

The Greenland thing is meant to be a distraction from the Venezuela debacle.

The Venezuela debacle was meant to be a distraction from the Epstein mess.

The 'pull it down and build a ballroom' was also meant to be a distraction from the Epstein mess.

The Epstein mess was meant to be a distraction from some previous mess.
(Seriously, I lose track after that. ICE, Insurrection? Election voting fraud? Economic mismanagement? Broken promises?)

He may well be going for the Big One!
He has a couple of plans in mind, or an idea of a shadow of a plan slowly forming.

Recession, WW3, opening the briefcase with the nuclear codes?

Happy MAGAs? Fuck you. And fuck your stupid president.

NEVER

I used to be a real gung-ho US supporter from a distance.

The land of unlimited opportunity, land of the brave and the free, welcoming the huddled masses yearning to be free, the brash John Wayne swagger, the individualism, etc.

Now I'm not so sure.

Do I need therapy?

The threat of armed retaliation is the only thing that trump and his goons might pay attention to, at this point. Cudos to Denmark, for recognizing that 1939 Nazi Germany is happening, all over again. Remembering my relatives who fought in WWII Europe for world freedom makes me want to puke, given the present-day situation.

Anyone come across a GoFundMe for some enterprising individuals to Caracas the District and haul the Department of War Crimes Secretary and his mentally incapacitated leader to The Hague?

This is Trump and Putin attempting to divide things up for the next 100+ years. Trump wants the US out of Europe, and Putin wants into Europe without the US there. Trump's done his best to kneecap NATO, keep Ukraine out of NATO, and hand Ukraine to Putin, but Putin still can't pull it off.

In exchange Trump gets Greenland and Canada down to the bottom of South America to do whatever with. Venezuela and Greenland are absolutely assets that the US would want to know they can absolutely count on to control in the upcoming geopolitics of scarcity and climate change, and inevitable resource wars to come.

My guess is China is ultimately squeezed out of S.A. and C.A. and can have Taiwan and the rest of Asia, as far as Trump is concerned. I think Japan is in for a shock if they think we will protect them from China or N.K. At the end of the day... Trump doesn't play well in Asia, and the Aussies don't seem to want Trump near them either, so no "In" to Asia for him... So Trump will write Asia off "Fox and the Grapes" style, say "I didn't want it anyway", focus on what's near us, and screw the rest.

And that's the future, as speculated by me...

NOPE