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BumRushDaShow

(171,404 posts)
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:15 PM Apr 14

US edges closer to popular vote deciding winner of presidential elections

Source: The Guardian

Tue 14 Apr 2026 13.12 EDT
Last modified on Tue 14 Apr 2026 14.08 EDT


A national majority vote for president is one step closer to reality after the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, signed the national popular vote bill into law, joining an interstate compact with 17 other states and the District of Columbia. Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state.

The compact takes effect when states representing a majority of electoral votes – 270 of 538 – pass the legislation and thus would determine the winner of the presidential contest. With Virginia, the compact now has 222 electors. Every state that has so far enacted the compact has Democratic electoral majorities, including California, New York and Illinois. But legislation has been introduced in enough states to reach the 270-elector threshold, including swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The legislation relies on two provisions of the US constitution, which would face intense legal scrutiny if and when the compact comes into force. Article II, section 1 of the constitution authorizes each state to appoint electors “in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct”. The constitution does not require states to even have a vote for president, never mind delegating those electors as a state’s voters choose. The second provision, article I, section 10, clause 3 of the US constitution, governs interstate compacts. The text authorizes states to form legally binding agreements governing their relationships to one another.

The text requires states to gain the assent of Congress to enact a compact. But longstanding US supreme court precedent holds that states only require congressional approval for a compact if the agreement infringes on federal power. Supporters of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not a federal power. A Pew Research Center poll from 2024 showed that 63% of Americans would replace the electoral college with a national popular vote for president, with 35% opposing change.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/14/majority-vote-for-president-us-constitution



Link to National Popular Vote website - National Popular Vote

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US edges closer to popular vote deciding winner of presidential elections (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 14 OP
K&R, thanks for posting. c-rational Apr 14 #1
The Roberts court would overturn it Fiendish Thingy Apr 14 #2
Unless it's a Constitutional amendment. Wednesdays Apr 14 #5
Well, not yet they haven't. Nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 14 #7
Yeah, because it's not "ripe" yet. nt Wednesdays Apr 14 #10
They wouldn't need to strike it down. Starfury Apr 14 #22
The Colorado ruling was unanimous Fiendish Thingy Apr 14 #24
Not just Roberts and the other 5... Polybius Apr 14 #19
"Supporters...argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not federal..." Wednesdays Apr 14 #3
There's no solutions like bucolic_frolic Apr 14 #4
I don't follow your logic Fiendish Thingy Apr 14 #9
So, to play devils advocate. OldBaldy1701E Apr 15 #27
Currently, small states have outsized power and representation Fiendish Thingy Apr 15 #30
'Outsized'? OldBaldy1701E Apr 15 #31
The senate is the equalizer Fiendish Thingy Apr 15 #33
This only affects the presidency, not congress. eggplant Apr 14 #13
Not sure- R0ckyRac00n Apr 14 #14
Fun until OH, FL find extra 300,000 votes. Festivito Apr 15 #32
Lots of the same Democrats who support displacedvermoter Apr 14 #6
Thomas Court would overturn if passed Miguelito Loveless Apr 14 #8
It'll be at least a 7-2 decision Polybius Apr 14 #21
Not if there are 13 justices ruling Fiendish Thingy Apr 15 #34
The ANTI-SHITSTAIN Law/compact dave99 Apr 14 #11
...popular vote deciding winner of presidential elections. as it should be. republianmushroom Apr 14 #12
The EC is way overdue to die Bayard Apr 14 #15
Hey, BumRush... calimary Apr 14 #16
Appreciate the comment BumRushDaShow Apr 14 #18
After 2000--and certainly after 2016--every Democrat should be on board with this by now. If the GOP wants to tie Karasu Apr 14 #17
The EC invites shenanigans The Wizard Apr 14 #20
Georgia will never go for this............... NGeorgian Apr 14 #23
It's not as solld red as states like OK or ID BumRushDaShow Apr 15 #25
Seems like there's a workaround for the compact issue Shrek Apr 15 #26
That video answered questions I didn't even know I had Ruby the Liberal Apr 15 #28
"at least stop electing by land mass instead of voters." BumRushDaShow Apr 15 #29
Of course, if the votes are not counted correctly.... returnee Apr 15 #35

Fiendish Thingy

(23,753 posts)
2. The Roberts court would overturn it
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:35 PM
Apr 14

Just one more reason to elect courageous Democrats who will expand the court and neutralize the MAGA majority.

Starfury

(861 posts)
22. They wouldn't need to strike it down.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 09:10 PM
Apr 14

They would just "reinterpret" it, like they did with Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,753 posts)
24. The Colorado ruling was unanimous
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 10:44 PM
Apr 14

And it was correct - state courts cannot adjudicate disqualification for federal offices, only federal courts can.

Otherwise, Biden/Harris would have been removed from the ballot in several red states.

Not to mention Obama.

Wednesdays

(22,967 posts)
3. "Supporters...argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not federal..."
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:36 PM
Apr 14

Well, good luck with that with this SCOTUS on the bench. Even when it's spelled out in the Constitution.

bucolic_frolic

(55,578 posts)
4. There's no solutions like
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:37 PM
Apr 14

concentrating the opportunity for rigging elections in the central counting mechanism of each state. We're going to do this with computer ballots? This will solidify the Senate like a sink drain. No one will listen to anyone other than the presidential candidates. Fewer people will vote, they will feel their vote doesn't count. You think my one vote will make a difference in 50 states? State specific issues will become irrelevant. The national parties will set policy - for everyone.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,753 posts)
9. I don't follow your logic
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:48 PM
Apr 14

In close elections, and we’ve had a few in just this century alone, the votes of small states could make quite a difference in who wins or loses the popular vote, and thus, the election.

OldBaldy1701E

(11,386 posts)
27. So, to play devils advocate.
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 08:11 AM
Apr 15

Then, why would the small states do that (or anything) when they are not being equally represented in the Congress, and therefore have no way to advocate for themselves within it?

It is not equality when the large states have all the leverage. Regardless of that fact, each state should have an equal say in our society.

If we don't want equality, then we need to stop touting it as a virtue of the nation and lying about our reverence of it.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,753 posts)
30. Currently, small states have outsized power and representation
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 08:53 AM
Apr 15

And in congress, that wouldn’t change.

Shifting to electing the president by popular vote would be a move towards equality- per person.

OldBaldy1701E

(11,386 posts)
31. 'Outsized'?
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 09:17 AM
Apr 15

It appears to be more 'equal footing' than 'outsized'.

Is that what bothers the large states so much?

Having to treat the smaller states as equals?

To be honest, I am fine with the President being elected solely by popular vote.

But, this constant desire to remove the equal footing that the smaller states have is getting a bit concerning. Creating a bias in the way Congress operates by letting the large states always win everything is no different than having a 'super majority' in both chambers. We don't seem to like the one. Why are we so enamored of the other?

There is also the fact that most of the 'small states' are on the north east coast. So, it would not just be a bias against certain states, it would be a bias against an entire section of the country.

But hey... what do I know?

Fiendish Thingy

(23,753 posts)
33. The senate is the equalizer
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 09:23 AM
Apr 15

Surely you must know that.

The house should be expanded to provide better per capita representation as well.

By population, the “small” states are not on the east coast, but in the rural heart land - WY, MT come to mind.

eggplant

(4,223 posts)
13. This only affects the presidency, not congress.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 05:31 PM
Apr 14

Congressional votes are always state-by-state.

Festivito

(13,905 posts)
32. Fun until OH, FL find extra 300,000 votes.
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 09:21 AM
Apr 15

Then, what will you do? Write them a strongly worded letter.

displacedvermoter

(4,874 posts)
6. Lots of the same Democrats who support
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 04:43 PM
Apr 14

keeping the filibuster, also support the EC. I don't see it going away any time soon, filibuster will need to go first. Republicans would certainly filibuster to the death, they correctly fear the popular vote as demographics keep changing.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,753 posts)
34. Not if there are 13 justices ruling
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 09:25 AM
Apr 15

Yes, I know there are constitutional problems with certain interstate compacts, but an expanded court would reduce the odds of these laws being overturned.

calimary

(90,498 posts)
16. Hey, BumRush...
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 07:09 PM
Apr 14

I just wanted to let you know that this stuff you find, these articles and research pieces, they’re extremely helpful in keeping us plugged in to trends, personalities, and the news, local, regional, nationally, and world/planet-wide. VERY educational. It’s REALLY powerful ammo.

Makes us think.

Karasu

(2,055 posts)
17. After 2000--and certainly after 2016--every Democrat should be on board with this by now. If the GOP wants to tie
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 07:26 PM
Apr 14

themselves to the EC so badly, they can (and should) go down with it.

Sick and tired of keeping around this unpopular, antiquated, and incredibly anti-democratic system.

The Wizard

(13,822 posts)
20. The EC invites shenanigans
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 08:51 PM
Apr 14

Minority rule flies in the face of democratic principles as first envisioned by Aristotle.

BumRushDaShow

(171,404 posts)
25. It's not as solld red as states like OK or ID
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 07:21 AM
Apr 15

You saw that in 2020. It's just that the legislature is so gerrymandered that any changes would be difficult.

Shrek

(4,446 posts)
26. Seems like there's a workaround for the compact issue
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 07:42 AM
Apr 15

In the enabling legislation, just spell out the appointment of electors without mentioning any other state. That will satisfy Article II Section I without implicating the compact provision.

But I suspect this will fall apart if a state like California or New York ever required its electors to vote for a Republican. They'd probably repeal the legislation prior to the election if that was a likely outcome.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,691 posts)
28. That video answered questions I didn't even know I had
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 08:28 AM
Apr 15

I like this alot. Especially in both majority blue and red states where people may feel like they have no voice. It would also give swing state voters a break from the scorched earth left in the wake of some of these campaigns.

And the fact that this would have prevented both Bush 2000 and Trump 2016 is just a celestial bonus.

If we can't get rid of the EC, at least stop electing by land mass instead of voters.

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