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(52,564 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 05:21 PM Jun 2

SpaceX valued at just $780 billion by Morningstar, less than half its IPO target

Source: finance.yahoo.com

SpaceX (SPAX.PVT) just got slapped with a bearish valuation ahead of its monster IPO coming up later this month. The report signals that one of the most anticipated offerings in years may be significantly overpriced, just as CEO Elon Musk tries to justify the valuation.

Morningstar initiated coverage of SpaceX with a fair-value estimate of just $780 billion, less than half the roughly $1.8 trillion valuation the company is targeting in its initial public offering.

Analyst Nicolas Owens’s discounted cash flow model valued SpaceX’s core launch and Starlink satellite businesses at about $611 billion in enterprise value, plus an additional $170 billion in “probability-weighted scenarios” for the company’s AI operations.


Read more: https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/article/spacex-valued-at-just-780-billion-by-morningstar-less-than-half-its-ipo-target-174617034.html

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SpaceX valued at just $780 billion by Morningstar, less than half its IPO target (Original Post) question everything Jun 2 OP
stupid piece of crap is only 'worth' a few 100 million. Everything else is HYPE. don't fall for it !! dave99 Jun 2 #1
"only 'worth' a few 100 million" EX500rider Jun 2 #4
revenue -- final line ? dave99 Jun 2 #6
If Starlink income wasn't swamped by xAI losses it might be a decent investment. pat_k Jun 2 #13
Their revenue is less than their expenses. Shipwack Jun 3 #22
Trump said his shit "company" was worth at least $100 at it's IPO all those years Bengus81 Jun 3 #31
Musk is counting on irrational exuberance among his cult followers to keep early demand high for the stock muriel_volestrangler Jun 2 #2
Over the last year I have backed out of all my large-cap and index-tracking funds. paulkienitz Jun 2 #17
The forced Nasdaq buying sure looks like a scam flamingdem Jun 3 #20
Lots of competition in Space Exploration bucolic_frolic Jun 2 #3
I doubt even that makes sense. Nt BootinUp Jun 2 #5
Who could have known that there was a massive downside risk to being hyperpartisan and nationalist Prairie Gates Jun 2 #7
I hate that the SpaceX piece of shit will probably be added to my XMAG ETF. pat_k Jun 2 #8
What I do is pick and choose my own stocks. Have not lost yet. efhmc Jun 7 #39
I didn't do so well at that 2000-2010 and shifted my modest investments over to a couple index funds, pat_k Jun 7 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author pat_k Jun 7 #41
$60 to $70 billion tops WSHazel Jun 2 #9
And Elon Musk owns approx. 42% of Space X, so his net worth will increase by $750 billion and send him... OGBuzz Jun 2 #10
i think teh IPO will mark a market top moonshinegnomie Jun 2 #11
Wouldn't nvidia be the beneficiary of Space X success? flamingdem Jun 3 #21
The felon shoveling hundreds of millions of our tax dollars at the Mag 10 is propping things up. pat_k Jun 3 #26
it may be moonshinegnomie Jun 3 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author fujiyamasan Jun 3 #37
Can SpaceX install data centers in space on Elon's timeline? eringer Jun 2 #12
There is no good business case for data centers in space. paulkienitz Jun 2 #16
Environmental Issues Must be Overcome eringer Jun 3 #18
There is no way you can make the math work paulkienitz Jun 3 #24
China has a better idea: sink them in the ocean. paulkienitz Jun 3 #35
Lots of technical reasons against it happening, too. Shipwack Jun 3 #23
Agree that the problems seem insurmountable eringer Jun 3 #28
How many times have Elon's timelines been met? LudwigPastorius Jun 3 #19
...like they're making "short work" of the Starship? paulkienitz Jun 3 #25
Well maybe if Muskrat should fix the issue of his rockets exploding.................. turbinetree Jun 2 #14
Musk's rockets don't explode, they experience unscheduled rapid disassembly pat_k Jun 3 #27
And taxpayers are paying for this exploding stuff............I wouldn't trust this device for moon exploration turbinetree Jun 3 #34
Morningstar is being wildly optimistic. paulkienitz Jun 2 #15
My 23 year old Mercedes is worth at least forty million dollars. twodogsbarking Jun 3 #29
and looks like barbtries Jun 3 #30
Our tax dollars at work. Emile Jun 3 #33
Once Space X goes public... The Grand Illuminist Jun 3 #36
...or it won't, and the AI bubble starts deflating right then. paulkienitz Jun 6 #38

EX500rider

(12,844 posts)
4. "only 'worth' a few 100 million"
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 06:14 PM
Jun 2

That seem unlikely with revenue of $18.67 billion last year for SpaceX/Starlink

pat_k

(14,362 posts)
13. If Starlink income wasn't swamped by xAI losses it might be a decent investment.
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 10:43 PM
Jun 2

Starlink is the "cash cow." But with the acquisition of xAI the "company" as a whole is a dog.

The entire U.S. economy is currently an all-in bet on AI. I see no reason to pump the bubble up with an absurd xAI over-valuation buried inside SpaceX

SpaceX Segment Financials (2025)

Overall operating loss $2.60 billion

Connectivity (primarily Starlink)
Operating Income $𝟒.𝟒𝟐 billion

Space (Launches and Nasa)
Operating Loss $0.657 billion.

AI (xAI)
Operating Loss 6.36 billion

Shipwack

(3,126 posts)
22. Their revenue is less than their expenses.
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 01:39 AM
Jun 3

No solid plans to fix that, either. Long term that doesn’t bode well.

Or short, term, either.

Bengus81

(10,492 posts)
31. Trump said his shit "company" was worth at least $100 at it's IPO all those years
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 08:06 AM
Jun 3

ago. That crap trades at $9 and is lucky to be that high. If Eloon is going public he no longer needs to feed off the teet of taxpayers.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,754 posts)
2. Musk is counting on irrational exuberance among his cult followers to keep early demand high for the stock
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 05:36 PM
Jun 2

The sober investors contemplating buying it in the IPO have to work out if that will keep the price high enough for them to offload it way above its true value; and those buying in the subsequent market have to work out if the cult will keep it high long enough for NASDAQ index trackers to have to buy it, whatever the price.

Then the question will become if it stays up long enough for the forced purchases by S&P 500 index trackers to arrive.

Personally I hold an S&P 500 tracker, and hope that it crashes before it gets to the point it has to buy it. I also hold 2 world index trackers, and I have no idea when their rules will force them to buy it. I'd hope they're more conservative than the NASDAQ fanbois.

bucolic_frolic

(56,215 posts)
3. Lots of competition in Space Exploration
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 05:40 PM
Jun 2

Don't go for the cyber truck of spaceships.

Go with the infrastructure suppliers, the electronics.

oh. There is this:



Priced according to Eloon's ego. It's almost like a Golden Arch or a Ballroom.

Prairie Gates

(8,604 posts)
7. Who could have known that there was a massive downside risk to being hyperpartisan and nationalist
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 07:01 PM
Jun 2

in an industry that requires government contracts both foreign and domestic. And an early entrant into an industry with a lot of downstream competition coming online.

Seriously, what Democratic administration for the next 40 years won't be tempted to zero out SpaceX contracts the way Elon and his merry band of idiots zeroed out NEH grants?

pat_k

(14,362 posts)
8. I hate that the SpaceX piece of shit will probably be added to my XMAG ETF.
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 07:13 PM
Jun 2

I'm not sure what to do about this.

I transfered from a standard s&p index to XMAG to limit exposure to AI, Musk, and other tech bros absurdly inflated values.

I wish there were an XMAG that excluded the "Magnificent 10 and SpaceX, whatever market capitalization SpaceX debuts at.

pat_k

(14,362 posts)
40. I didn't do so well at that 2000-2010 and shifted my modest investments over to a couple index funds,
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 03:27 PM
Jun 7

XMAG being a recent addition. Also have consumer staples, emerging markets, and a balanced retirement target 2025. Have done ok, but it is probably time to get back to doing my own research and trading individual stocks.

The economy is so fragile I'm tempted to just lose on inflation and move to cash, cut back to the bone, and sock away more to stay ahead of inflation erosion.

Response to efhmc (Reply #39)

WSHazel

(891 posts)
9. $60 to $70 billion tops
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 08:10 PM
Jun 2

Last edited Wed Jun 3, 2026, 06:09 AM - Edit history (1)

Starlink is the entire value of the company. The space business should be done by the government, and the AI has significant negative value and the company would be worth more long term if it was just shut down. Twitter is worth maybe $5 billion, probably less.

The problem with Starlink is that as developing world countries continue to build out their cell infrastructure, Starlink becomes less valuable. The EU is building their own Starlink for military purposes.

OGBuzz

(809 posts)
10. And Elon Musk owns approx. 42% of Space X, so his net worth will increase by $750 billion and send him...
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 09:04 PM
Jun 2

well on his way to $2 trillion. There is something obscene about all this.
But hey, Elon did manage to destroy USAID causing the deaths of over 750,000 people (so far) due to stoppage in medical, nutritional, and humanitarian aid.

moonshinegnomie

(4,129 posts)
11. i think teh IPO will mark a market top
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 09:29 PM
Jun 2

besides being way overvalued s&P funds are going to have to buy a big slug of the IPO. they will have to get teh cash selling other stocks and with the mag 7 being the majorit of teh s&p thats what they will have to sell puttin gpressure on the market. betwen spacex,open ai anthroponic and teh other ipos coming i thing we are very near the top.
Ive sold a lot of my stocks and have put the proceeds into cash.

(disclaimer: i trade stocks for a living and spend 20+ years on the commodity floor )

flamingdem

(40,990 posts)
21. Wouldn't nvidia be the beneficiary of Space X success?
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 01:37 AM
Jun 3

Genuinely curious and also cautious but not sure it's crash time yet.

pat_k

(14,362 posts)
26. The felon shoveling hundreds of millions of our tax dollars at the Mag 10 is propping things up.
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 03:48 AM
Jun 3

The incestuous circular deals are sure reminiscent of the dot com bubble.



This all-in bet on AI that is the American economy is incredibly fragile, however you look at it. Particularly when you add in the fact that our economy relies on spending by the wealthiest. The problem with decimating the middle class is that relying on the wealthiest spending lots is dicey. The minute things start going south, they can cut way back, sending the economy into a death spiral.

https://www.profgalloway.com/how-does-the-end-begin/

The top 10 stocks in the S&P 500 account for 40% of the index’s market cap. Since ChatGPT launched in November 2022, AI-related stocks have registered 75% of S&P 500 returns, 80% of earnings growth, and 90% of capital spending growth. Meanwhile, AI investments accounted for nearly 92% of the U.S. GDP growth this year. Without those AI investments, Harvard economist Jason Furman noted, growth would be flat. As Ruchir Sharma concluded in the Financial Times, “America is now one big bet on AI,” adding, “AI better deliver for the U.S., or its economy and markets will lose the one leg they are now standing on.” This concentration creates fragility, and how the end begins becomes more visible.
...
If Mag 10 valuations are cut in half, the S&P and global markets would decline by 20% and 10%, respectively. In the U.S., the immediate impact would be felt by the wealthiest 10%, who own 87% of the stocks. Those households won’t struggle to pay their bills, but they may be the tail of the whip on the economy, as wealthy households have the luxury of decreasing their spending dramatically, vs. middle-class households, who spend the majority of their income on basics. If the top 10%, who account for half the consumer spending in the U.S., hit the brakes, the nation gets whiplash. I estimate that if the wealthy see their portfolios drop by 20%, we could see a 2-3% decline in GDP. For context: From peak to trough, the Great Recession registered a 4.3% drop in GDP.
...





moonshinegnomie

(4,129 posts)
32. it may be
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 08:20 AM
Jun 3

but if a fund needs to raise cash to but spacex they need to sell something and NVDA is a huge winner. so selling some is easy.

Response to flamingdem (Reply #21)

eringer

(559 posts)
12. Can SpaceX install data centers in space on Elon's timeline?
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 10:26 PM
Jun 2

Nicholas Owen’s thinks not. He is betting against SpaceX which will have the money from the IPO to make it happen. That will drive the valuation.
Based on its history, SpaceX should make short work of it.

paulkienitz

(1,552 posts)
16. There is no good business case for data centers in space.
Tue Jun 2, 2026, 11:24 PM
Jun 2

The whole idea is just a piece of the AI bubble.

eringer

(559 posts)
18. Environmental Issues Must be Overcome
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 12:43 AM
Jun 3

Business case is there given the NIBY mentality governing earth based sites. It will take lots of money and brainpower to make it happen but the rewards are there if someone is not adverse to the risks. I can only think of one guy that’s willing to put it “all on the black”. It’s really the only reason he is going public.
Nicholas projected valuation assumes you are buying a launch company. In my opinion, he either hasn’t done his homework or is very naive. In either case, he is no rocket scientist on this subject.

paulkienitz

(1,552 posts)
24. There is no way you can make the math work
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 02:26 AM
Jun 3

so that data centers in orbit are cheaper and pay out better than ones on the ground with full environmental mitigation and respect for neighbors, unless you assume a scale so gargantuan that it's the only option. Which would tremendously escalate the risk of turning our entire fleet of low-orbit assets into shrapnel via the Kessler syndrome.

Plus the entirely speculative gamble of what good the data centers will even do us once built, and the fact that the only reason this idea is being taken seriously at all by people like Musk or Bezos or Eric Schmit is just because we're in the middle of a huge speculative bubble. Which will collapse long before the buildout can get to a scale big enough to justify needing to put it in space.

This is even dumber than the old idea of building giant solar arrays in orbit to beam down power via microwaves, when for a fraction of the cost you can produce just as many watts from ordinary solar roofs scattered wherever people live.

paulkienitz

(1,552 posts)
35. China has a better idea: sink them in the ocean.
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 06:45 PM
Jun 3

Of course this may have its own environmental concerns depending on local conditions, but it does solve all the issues with putting them in space.

Shipwack

(3,126 posts)
23. Lots of technical reasons against it happening, too.
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 01:44 AM
Jun 3

Long story short: data centers generate lots of heat. It’s difficult to transfer heat to a vacuum (that’s an oversimplification, but essentially correct).

eringer

(559 posts)
28. Agree that the problems seem insurmountable
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 04:39 AM
Jun 3

That is why Musk finally agreed to the offering. It was always talked about once a year at SpaceX but everyone knew the rumors were untrue. That it is happening took everyone by surprise. Musk is putting everything on the black. Don’t bet against his people pulling it off as impossible as it sounds.

pat_k

(14,362 posts)
27. Musk's rockets don't explode, they experience unscheduled rapid disassembly
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 04:12 AM
Jun 3

And the space crap isn't actually much of the business. The cash cow is starlink, which is facing a lot more competition.

Overall SpaceX operating loss $2.60 billion. Breakdown:

Connectivity (primarily Starlink)
Operating Income $𝟒.𝟒𝟐 billion

Space (Launches and Nasa)
Operating Loss $0.657 billion.

AI (xAI)
Operating Loss 6.36 billion

turbinetree

(27,786 posts)
34. And taxpayers are paying for this exploding stuff............I wouldn't trust this device for moon exploration
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 09:27 AM
Jun 3

Emile

(43,914 posts)
33. Our tax dollars at work.
Wed Jun 3, 2026, 09:04 AM
Jun 3

"Just $780 billion? Wow, I guess they're practically giving the rockets away for free.

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