They couldn’t wait to get back on standard, it was gone within a year.

I was in high school in the 70s and I remember going out in the dark to stand on a lonely country road waiting for the bus.

Should never have been changed back.

Just because snowflakes struggle with changing the clock twice a year.

I went to work in the dark and came home as the sun was dropping below the horizon. I desperately wanted at least one hour of sunlight after I got home. Daylight Savings Time would've provided that. Working people have a stake in this.

I suppose we could try it again, some people have to learn things the hard way

and say that you never had a job that required you to arrive early and stay late.

The older i get the more the time change messes with me

...and in this age of digital clocks, many of which updated themselves, is this really something we need? Having a couple of after-work hours of daylight (at least in my time zone) in October and early-November counts as a good thing to me.

and blame Democrats for forcing it on the country.

😒

totally unnecessary stress.

It was so unpopular they had to switch it back.

Standing in the dark beside the road waiting for a bus.

and only Arizona, Hawaii and some part of Indiana figured out how to not participate.

In CA we have passed two referendums to get rid of it, but the feds have not let us out of participating in the hell of the ridiculous time switching that messes with all of the biological systems of our bodies. Totally stupid and unnecessary stress that is utterly preventable by not changing the time.

The six years that I lived in Arizona were so refreshing without the upheaval.

Where did they get rid of it only to bring it back?

Everywhere. I was too young to know about it, but in the 70s, a nationwide law passed. 5 years (or less) later, it was rescinded. Hopefully, one of the older members will fill you in on it. If not, I'll look it up after work and post it here.

but have been ignored twice!

In the west, only Arizona and Hawaii have successfully figured out how to not participate in the madness. And they have kept it that way.

Sending kids to school in the dark was what people objected to. That’s why it was repealed. Year round standard time would work better than year round “daylight saving”.

I have never figured out why the time can stay the same, but the busies and school hours have summer and winter hours. This everything is not disrupted needlessly for everyone.

...to have stress over a twice a year adjustment of an hour? There are people who have jobs where their shift changes EVERY week. That's stressful. And people didn't like it when we did it 50 years ago. The resuscitation of bad ideas is more of an American pastime than baseball.

but about ignorant people ignoring biology. And imposing their rigidity on the rest of us.

And most people just want the time to stay put.

Shift work is hell- I have done it and yes, it knocks a good decade off of people's lives.

But public policy is not meant to add to biological stressors - especially for no good reason whatsoever.

Lots of public policy isn't what I want. Waah!! They should change it because I'm stressed.

Yup. That makes sense.

which I encourage you to embark upon to educate yourself on the subject.

And the people who love the time changing have imposed this utterly unnecessary biological stress on the rest of society for too long. It is way overdue to be finished with.

Schools and offices should simply adopt Summer/ Winter schedules.

All much less stressful for the society as a whole than this antiquated deadly time change.

And I am a biologist.

I think risks of cardiovascular events and accidents both increase briefly after the time switch. I have no idea of the magnitude but what ever they measured was statistically significant. You'd have to quantify the happiness in the DST months vs the hazards of the brief switching windows measuring the outdoor recreation vs increased cooling vs slight increase in health costs at the switch. I'd say if we fix the clock we could just shift school times but nowadays many kids are driven to school by working adults compared to us born before the media driven fear about child safety reduced the practice of having kids walk or take school busses to school.

Good luck!

Certainly, if the US (sorry, the GOTHS) decides to abolish the change, then allow each state to decide which of their current time zones they'll remain in; northern and southern states may well have different preferences. But why not allow states to remain changing, if they want to? Changing makes more sense in northern states (maybe except Alaska, which is so far north that sunrise and sunset vary far more than an hour change can take advantage of),

(with Canada's Maritime Provinces) of this were to happen. It is relatively far North with greater changes in daylight hours from season to season. On rainy days, it is dark by just after 4 PM in the winter. In the summer, it gets light out just after 4 AM.

......will cause our fragile social structure to collapse.

The extremes at each end are too much this far East in the time zone. It was not as jarring living several hundred miles west of here.

I hope that BC ending time changes to stay on DST will encourage other Provinces to do the same. Jet-lagging tens of millions of people twice a year is unhealthy.

BC just switched to permanent Dailight time.

That means, there would be a permanent 1 hour difference between BC and the Pacific zone in the US.

......your mind, one way or another. If we standardize the bi-annual switch (my choice) and people bitch about school kids going to school in the dark in Arizona, just tell them to change the school hours. And even go so far as to tell them that they can change the school hours again, in the middle of the school year, if their parents would just shut up.

Better to pick standard time and stick with it.

PS: When I went to school in FL we had to get out of bed at 6:00 to catch our bus at 6:25. It was dark as night, and as cold as it ever got in FL. Jr. High and High School started at 7:00 and ended at 3:00. We hated it -- but local pols had decided that letting teens out of school at 3:00 provided lots of cheap labor for the local tourist industry, and that's what counted. Parents have no chance to change the hours in such a situation.

........start school at the same time and we seem to make it work.

I'm being silly. But it would be fun to watch.

Fuck any attempt to make it permanent year-round.

It just goes to show you these bums in Congress don't appreciate how millions of us enjoy the extra hour at the end of the day. They don't do an honest day's work to begin with.

their hours -- why shouldn't the same apply to people like you who prefer an earlier day ??? Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

Try waiting for a school bus in the cold and dark between 6 & 7 AM in N. Florida and you'll grasp the objections a little better. Especially if you get hit by a car, which is so much more easily accomplished in the dark. FL loses a few students that way every year.

Majority (usually) rules.

The differences from one poll to another are substantial, but never is the majority "overwhelming".

https://www.google.com/search?q=do+americans+prefer+standard+time+or+daylight+saving+time&udm=14

I would have thought that kids getting hit by cars in the dark would trump a moderate majority, but apparently I live in a different world from you.

I think you should try wording it like this: Do Americans prefer it to get dark later or earlier?

Not everything revolves around kids, I could care less about them going to school in the dark. They already do in parts of late Fall and Winter, and I like morning darkness anyway.

The only ones I've ever met to prefer DST are old folks that are proud of being early birds. Fair enough, they are entitled to their opinions.

Now with all that being said, I don't prefer either. I like the way it is now, just change it twice a year.

No one worries about my dogs.

And here, every morning, I see cars at every cross street idling with their kids inside waiting for the bus to get to that corner. Being light outside will make no difference.

No one needs that at 4 am. We need it at 4 PM.

but I'm one of those who votes for Standard Time as the norm. For millennia, our bodies have adjusted to the rising and setting of the sun. Many of us, some of us in particular, are truly thrown for loops by these time changes. My circadian rhythm has been thrown off for decades now, and I blame it at least partly on trying to adjust to what society says, rather than what the sun and moon tell me. Maybe I'm crazy... yeah, I am (at least a bit!)... but I feel the changes for weeks afterwards, even now that I'm retired and it doesn't really matter anymore. But my whole body, physically and emotionally, feels "off" for weeks. I find myself more unbalanced and tripping over the least little things, and concentration and memory is even harder than it normally is.

Like I said, I love the extra hour at night for daylight... but I think our bodies should be heeded with the caution warnings they give at each time change... like more heart attacks, more car accidents, etc.

Having said all that, I figure they're not going to do a damn thing about it this time, either. If it ain't good for business, it ain't gonna happen, IMO.

If I lived in San Diego or Brownsville, DST does nothing for me. Constant amounts of daylight with little seasonal shift.

But where I live at 47 degrees North, its 8.5 hours of daylight on the Winter Solstice, 16 on the Summer Solstice. I think DST is great. Even with DST, it starts to get light here before 5 this time of year. It's light nearly till 10.

I don't know if that is or not but I am ashamed to have had the impulse to write it.

Golfers became the enemy of the state, literally. Everyone to this day is convinced that was the single reason it was changed lol.

Start time 1-2 hours later. I imagine, they would like to "sleep in" during the winter. The amount of time in school would be the same with just a later start time. They might be more productive. At Spring break they can use the week to adjust to the new schedule.
Just a thought.

While I prefer that we stay like we do now, even permanent DST is better than permanent Standard.

The only question is how high the pile of kids' corpses will be this time around.

but the federal government has never allowed us to opt out.

Just start school later in the Winter, problem solved.

Especially with super bright headlights. And I'm not retired, so I much prefer daylight savings time.

Instant sunlight gratificaton for all people everywhere, wanted or not, just like the Gawds themselves intended.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143694919

Or, they're trying to have something to offer the country before t h e mid-terms?
They certainly haven't gotten anything actually useful done.

I find myself wanting to shout: EPSTEIN, EPSTEIN, EPSTEIN!!!

Florida wants permanent DST bad so the tourists can stay out later and spend more money.

This is one thing my state does right. I do not even "get" changing time twice a year. time is a stupid construct anyway, why fuck with it every 6 months? day is day and night it night, the lengths shift during the seasons no matter what a clock says.

In my chair, it could change monthly, yearly, or never again, and I'd mostly shrug, I have stronger opinions about coffee temperature than I do about it. It's one of the rare debates where I'm content with almost any outcome.

I prefer more daylight earlier.