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progree

(11,463 posts)
Sun May 19, 2024, 06:27 AM May 2024

Zombie 2nd mortgages are coming to life, threatening thousands of Americans' homes, NPR, 5/18/24

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/05/10/npr-zombie-second-mortgages-homeowners-foreclosure

It's impossible to meaningfully excerpt 4 paragraphs or 5 or 6, so here is MY DESCRIPTION of this long article

PROGREERIAN DESCRIPTION OF LONG ARTICLE

For example, a lot of 2nd mortgages were issued in the housing bubble years when homebuyers didn't have enough money to make the down payment, so they were given a 2nd mortgage to make the down payment in what was known as an 80/20 loan

Home owners were told that these 2nd mortgages were forgiven in loan modifications in the housing bust years, and the 2nd mortgage company stopped sending statements,

but really they weren't forgiven, and now that home values have doubled and more, debt scavengers who bought up bundles of mortgages including these 2nd mortgages, e.g. First Amercian National, are collecting on them -- by foreclosing on the homes if the homeowners don't pay up on the 2nd mortgages that have in some cases doubled or more because of hefty interest and late fees.

But since I'm allowed 4 paragraphs, might as well:

...the terms of many of those housing-bubble-era mortgages had a time bomb inside them. After two years, the interest rates on the loans were set to explode and go up much higher. ... In 2007, McDonough's first mortgage adjusted, and the monthly payments were suddenly $700 a month higher, which she couldn't afford.

This was happening to millions of Americans. It was happening to so many that the federal government launched a nationwide intervention — a loan modification program to save at least some people from foreclosure. In 2008, McDonough was able to get her first mortgage modified to lower the interest rate and make it affordable again.

... McDonough says her mortgage company told her not to worry about the second mortgage anymore, that it was written off and forgiven.

"I was talking to a representative ... and he told me I would never have to make a payment again on the second mortgage," she said. "And I just didn't question any of it 'cause I was so grateful that the loan was modified." ... The same company had given her both mortgages. She says that after a while she stopped getting statements on the second mortgage. She thought it was dead. Then, in 2020, she received a letter in the mail from a company she had never heard of, First American National. It said she owed the company money. ...


They eventually foreclosed on her home, but she is still living there, fighting in a class action lawsuit because they (the mortgage company and First American National, the mortgage bundle buyer), didn't follow all the rules. For example, Regulation Z, which is part of the Truth in Lending Act. It requires that monthly statements be sent if there is interest assessed on a mortgage.

and First American National was fined in 2022 by the state of Massachusetts (the state where McDonough lives in her foreclosed home) for operating as unlicensed debt collectors. ... it was ordered to stop. McDonough's lawyers allege it then foreclosed on her house anyway, in violation of that agreement.

PROGREERIAN COMMENTARY (at last something short)

I helped a friend get a loan modification in 2008 or thereabouts, so I'm now wondering if there is something in all that we did that might leave her vulnerable to the greed bangers.
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Zombie 2nd mortgages are coming to life, threatening thousands of Americans' homes, NPR, 5/18/24 (Original Post) progree May 2024 OP
Thank you for posting this story. japple May 2024 #1
well, the only good thing here is mopinko May 2024 #2
This is a good reason why certain banks should not have been rescued in 2008 FakeNoose May 2024 #3
An unimaginably gigantic tangle of obligations where if one fails, the whole system goes to hell like dominoes. paleotn May 2024 #5
Ah yes. The housing bubble....that time Wall Street REALLY fucked America... paleotn May 2024 #4
They are predators and we are prey. shrike3 May 2024 #6

mopinko

(71,474 posts)
2. well, the only good thing here is
Sun May 19, 2024, 07:52 AM
May 2024

that these collection agency shd and maybe can b forced to, settle on a minimal amount.
i had a couple things go to collection when my computer was hacked. i settled them for og amt, and in 1 case less than that.
i’m guessin if the feds lean on them, they’ll have to just take what they can get.

FakeNoose

(35,145 posts)
3. This is a good reason why certain banks should not have been rescued in 2008
Sun May 19, 2024, 08:45 AM
May 2024

Our government spent trillions bailing out the US banks - because the alternative was unthinkable at the time. And yet, this is the predatory behavior that some banks were engaging in.

So explain to me why they deserved to be rescued....

paleotn

(18,914 posts)
5. An unimaginably gigantic tangle of obligations where if one fails, the whole system goes to hell like dominoes.
Sun May 19, 2024, 09:56 AM
May 2024

Everyone owes or may owe everyone else money, to the point where if a few of them can't pay everyone loses unless the feds step in. Very few regulatory firebreaks or firewalls if things do go bad. That's really the gist of it. Because of the federal backstop, Wall Street can go to extreme lengths of stupidity to make a buck. And our lawmakers, over the last 40 years or so, both Republicans and Democrats, allowed this to happen.

paleotn

(18,914 posts)
4. Ah yes. The housing bubble....that time Wall Street REALLY fucked America...
Sun May 19, 2024, 09:31 AM
May 2024

and they're still fucking them. Plus, flaws in the federal program, the Home Affordable Modification Program, hastily thrown together after the collapse. Whoops! Forgot to actually forgive those 80/20, 2nd mortgages. Sorry.

Yes, if you borrow, you have to pay it back, as one of the vultures stated in the article. But lenders ALSO have a duty to NOT lend money if there's a significant chance the borrower won't be able to pay it back. Two way street that Wall Street conveniently avoids through "moral hazard". If THEY collapse, the feds will bail them out since the repercussions of a systemic financial collapse are unthinkable. In a just world, the price of the federal "back stop" should be vastly more restrictive regulation than we have now. But Wall Street has tons of money and lobbyists so that won't happen. Same as it ever was.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
6. They are predators and we are prey.
Sun May 19, 2024, 11:04 AM
May 2024

Always play defense. I've been playing it since I was in my thirties. If I don't die penniless, I'll know I played it well.

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