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appalachiablue

(42,903 posts)
Fri May 31, 2024, 01:38 PM May 2024

America's Premier Pronatalists Have 'Tons of Kids' To Save The World, Musk, Dad of 11. Why?

'America’s premier pronatalists on having ‘tons of kids’ to save the world: ‘There are going to be countries of old people starving to death,' The Guardian, May 25, 2024. - Elon Musk (father of 11) supports their cause. Thousands follow their ideology. Malcolm and Simone Collins are on a mission to make it easier for everyone to have multiple children. But are they really model parents? - Edited -
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The Collinses didn’t tell me Simone was pregnant when we were making plans for me to spend a day with them at home in Valley Forge, Pa., but I guess it shouldn’t have come as a surprise. They are the poster children of the pronatalist movement, on a mission to save humanity by having as many babies as possible. Malcolm, 37, and Simone are “CEOs and non-profit entrepreneurs”: they acquire businesses with investor money that they improve and eventually sell “or turn into a cash cow”, as she puts it, ploughing their earnings into their charitable foundation, which encourages people to reproduce. They plan on having a minimum of 7 children.

This is not Quiverfull, the fundamentalist Christian belief that large families are a blessing from God. The Collinses are atheists; they believe in science and data, studies and research. Their pronatalism is born from the hyper-rational effective altruism movement – most recently made notorious by Sam Bankman-Fried – which uses utilitarian principles and cool-headed logic to determine what is best for life on Earth.

This is a numbers game, focused on producing the maximum number of heirs – not to inherit assets, but genes, outlook and worldview. And it’s being advocated by some of the most successful names in tech.

The world’s most famous pronatalist is father-of-11 Elon Musk. “Population collapse due to low birthrates is a much bigger risk to civilisation than global warming. (And I do think global warming is a major risk),” he warned in 2022. OpenAI CEO Sam Altman has invested in several reproductive technology startups, one aiming to engineer human eggs out of stem cells, another screening embryos for health outcomes. “Of course I’m going to have a big family,” Altman said the same year. “I think having a lot of kids is great.” The Skype co-founder and Estonian billionaire Jaan Tallinn (father of 5) donated just under half a million dollars to the Collinses pronatalist foundation in 2022.

The data, pronatalists fear, points to a looming crisis. As societies become more prosperous, people are having fewer children; after 200 years of overwhelming population growth, birthrates are plummeting. Since setting up the Pronatalist Foundation in 2021, Simone and Malcolm have become the movement’s spokespeople.. Malcolm describes their politics as “the new right – the iteration of conservative thought that Simone and I represent will come to dominate once Trump is gone.”...
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/article/2024/may/25/american-pronatalists-malcolm-and-simone-collins
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- 'Why Do These People Think Having A Bunch of Babies Will Save the World?' Daily Kos, May 29, 2024.
..But it’s hard to escape the feeling that this isn’t about saving civilization: It’s about extremely wealthy people who want to spread their genes to a maximum number of offspring and establish a kind of genetic elite on a planet that already has more than enough people....More,
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/5/29/2243287/-Why-do-these-people-think-having-a-bunch-of-babies-will-save-the-world

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America's Premier Pronatalists Have 'Tons of Kids' To Save The World, Musk, Dad of 11. Why? (Original Post) appalachiablue May 2024 OP
insane Srkdqltr May 2024 #1
For sure, also dark. And selfish. appalachiablue May 2024 #3
I think it's because they can't keep their pants on. bucolic_frolic May 2024 #2
Likely true In many cases. That people like this will become the new appalachiablue May 2024 #5
These people are really sick puppies if you delve into the article. The kids will have interesting stories for diane in sf May 2024 #4
Agree, the kids environment, & their parents bizarre philosophy that sucks. appalachiablue May 2024 #6
Sounds like some freaky Warren Jeffs nonsense, imho.. Montauk6 Oct 30 #7
High birthrates are incompatible with women's rights. valleyrogue Oct 31 #8
Musk sexually harrasses his female employees and is a sperm donor not a Dad. Demsrule86 Oct 31 #9

appalachiablue

(42,903 posts)
5. Likely true In many cases. That people like this will become the new
Fri May 31, 2024, 01:59 PM
May 2024

powerful elites in charge is troubling to say the least. As well, eugenics 2.0 with a big tech twist is dystopia. Throughout history, ultra wealthy and selfish has never worked out well for the masses, obviously.

diane in sf

(4,085 posts)
4. These people are really sick puppies if you delve into the article. The kids will have interesting stories for
Fri May 31, 2024, 01:56 PM
May 2024

their shrinks when they grow up and hopefully escape.

Montauk6

(8,614 posts)
7. Sounds like some freaky Warren Jeffs nonsense, imho..
Wed Oct 30, 2024, 07:08 PM
Oct 30

BTW, "Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey" is now playing on Netflix. Quite disturbing documentary.

valleyrogue

(1,098 posts)
8. High birthrates are incompatible with women's rights.
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 07:12 AM
Oct 31

Women aren't ever again going back to having lots of children. They aren't about to do it. In the past, they were forced to because of the lack of contraception and legal abortion. Women will go 4B internationally before they ever make the dreams of crackpots like Musk a reality.

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