Bibi and TSF last week-end.

But Trump tends to blurt out things without regard to any truth value or propriety, so Netanyahu would be an idiot to entrust him with anything important, so probably not.

The Haniyeh killing, NYT reported, was set up a couple of months ago. It might have been discussed with Blinken then, but even that's unlikely, IMHO.

they were going to cheat to get in power. Bibi and Trump may have miscalculated. I hope Harris brings the hammer down on Netanyahu and tells Israel, have a new election. Maybe Israel can learn from France and consolidate some of the more central and left parties to defeat the RW.

Members of Knesset. A purely left coalition can't win because the total of their seats is far too low. The Bennett/ Lapid coalition which was called center left included some on the right who hated Netanyahu.

Netanyahu is a terrible leader. I was just disgusted after the news of Israel’s torture and rape of Palestinian prisoners broke that Israelis protested FOR the rape and torture! What has happened to the decent people who used to be in Israel?

Like Trump, he would do anything, sacrifice as many lives as necessary, to stay in power. The saying goes, better to rule over a graveyard, right?

The worst never want to give up power.

or better yet, strap him to a Gabriel Missile.

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He even misrepresents who controls the West Bank and it's not a solid green color, it's a bunch of Palestinian islands surrounded by illegal Israeli settlements.

When were the Jews driven out of Palestine?

Palestine was once a Jewish land, a land that was invaded by muslims, and Jews were forced to flee. Why isn't it given back to the Jews and let the muslims return to their land?
First of all, Palestinians have ancestry from the Ancient Canaanites, just like Jews do. (They also have ancestry from Arabs, who brought Islam with them; just like e.g. European Jews also have European ancestry.)

Second of all, the time of Jewish kingdoms in Israel-Palestine was like 2000 years ago. The Anglo-Saxons didn't even live in England yet; Hungarians didn't live in Hungary yet; etc. When the European Jewish Zionist movement started in the 19th century, Palestine had been home to Palestinians, from time immemorial, either way. (There was also a small non-Zionist Jewish population living in harmony with Palestinians.)

Third of all—the issue now is international law. Whether or not it was morally acceptable in the first place to found Israel (or other settler-colonial countries like Canada, the U.S., and Australia), today it is recognized by e.g. the UN; its legitimate border, pending mutual land swaps, is the Green Line. (Meaning “Israel proper” is Israel; Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the West Bank are Palestine; and Israel's civilian settlements inside Palestine are war crimes in violation of the fourth Geneva convention.)

https://www.quora.com/When-were-the-Jews-driven-out-of-Palestine

As for the phrase used "From the river to the sea."

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Your message wants it both ways -- first you say that to defend Israel from Muslim terrorist groups -- Hezbollah & Hamas, whose charters are to obliterate Israel from the Earth -- is genocide against Palestinians; and second, that Israel is to exist according to Green Line agreements set up under international law.

Speaking of which... International law is drawn from biblical law and international law says that.
Biblical law came from the days of Jews' developing a societal order out of their own enslavement -- they came to live under the order commandments, laws, statutes, courts, judges, eyewitness testimony, and justice -- which has become the Western order of law. Not holy books.

But you can't have it both ways. Because the Shia pincer of Iran sends in Hezbollah from the north, Hamas from the south and west, neither one caring what you think about Netanyahu or genocide. They will use whatever politics they see fit to divide support for Israel, anything to reach their mission to end Israel.

When you live in an America bombarded with thousands of rockets and missiles for decades of your life, then you can get back to me about some proper way to save America and Americans.

Otherwise this whole thread is set up by your confounding geopolitical judgment. Bottom line, it doesn't help because it confounds our national integrity as Israel's major ally (and maybe only ally) by treaty against those who themselves have already terrorized America in our lifetime, and have already set up shop in Paraguay to eventually attack us again. Under some common denominator of victimization by the Great Satan and the West.

Islam does not care about international law or the West or its traitors or allies. It has all of eternity to subdue Earth.
You'd do well to read more about it before blaming Israel for existing and how it defends its existence.

and the only way you can change Hamas/Hezbollah charters is to work out a peace agreement with the Palestinians.

You talk about what Islam is, it was democracy in Iran for one until our CIA overthrew it in 1953 and installed the torture loving Shah to power.

That hell on Earth reality for the Iranian people is what fed extremist or fundamentalist Islam in Iran to grow in the first place.

We did that because Iran's democracy was going to nationalize their oil industry.

All that shit came back to haunt us along with the rest of the world and no doubt contributed to Reagan's rise to power as Ted Koppel on ABC counted each and every day that the hostages were held, keeping our whole nation emotionally hostage as well.

Reagan of course started "trickle down economics" which over the past near half century created great wealth disparity and in turn fed *rump's rise to power.

So our democracy and Israel's is now threatened because we overthrew a democracy in Iran for the sake of oil.

another far-right figurehead

Their colonialism led to this problem, and now we are facing world conflict that might bring down everything, and yet here we are talking about whether a country of 75 years should be destroyed.

Is this liberalism? Is this progressivism?