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lees1975

(5,947 posts)
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 10:54 AM Sep 13

Evangelicals are blind to the reality that Trump's agenda is anti-Christian.

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2024/09/evangelicals-have-been-beguiled-and.html

For those seeking to understand the dynamics within the political Evangelical support for a man whose character is completely antithetical to any Christian belief or doctrine, this article will help with some of the difficult nuances of that relationship.

I can't get behind someone based on incidental agreement with some of his policies, but whose character is atrocious, lacking any moral or ethical guidance, and the complete opposite of what Jesus Christ taught about character to his followers. I'm one of them, and that makes it difficult for me to even listen when Trump speaks, and impossible for me to even think about voting for him for President of the United States, a country whose constitution, laws, and government his actions show that he despises and hates, and a Christian faith, it's confession, repentance and grace, which he absolutely refuses to acknowledge.

For those who read this who were not raised in, or have never been a member of an Evangelical church in the United States, some of what you may read here will be difficult to understand. I was raised in an Evangelical church, a small, conservative, Southern Baptist congregation of 50 people, and I received most of my higher education in a university and graduate school affiliated with the same denomination.

I'm going to put this in the kind of terminology, using interpretations of passages of the New Testament, that Evangelicals will understand. Those who are not Evangelical, or who are not Christian, can still figure out the message that is being communicated. In one sentence, it is this: Following the guidance provided in the Bible about what it means to be a Christian, committed to the gospel of Jesus Christ, Trump's worldly character and lifestyle are completely inconsistent with Christian faith and practice and voting to put him in the Presidency of the United States would be antithetical to the kind of commitment and loyalty required to be faithful to the gospel of Jesus Christ.


The principles, practices and virtues taught by Jesus, found in the gospel, are antithetical to violence and bloodshed which resulted from forcing a pseudo-Christian, false gospel on people using the political power and authority of the state. It was tyranny, and the various versions of Christian nationalism being advanced by far right Evangelicalism contradicts every precept and principle taught by Jesus, commanded by Jesus and every example set by Jesus. It is not Christianity, it is antichrist.

And on top of all of the tyranny that the 900 some odd pages of Project 2025 would impose on the American people, including the threat of the use of violence and bloodshed against those who resist, someone on one side of the issue or the other is lying through their teeth. It's either the Heritage Foundation, which authored this draconian, heretical, tyrannical political platform with Trump's approval, blessing and input, according to them, promising he would implement every point of it if they helped him back into the White House, or it is Trump lying about not ever having anything to do with it, and trying to distance himself from it because his campaign team told him supporting it would guarantee his defeat in November.

This is yet another dilemma for a narcissistic politician who is playing one side against the other in the hope that neither one will notice while they are voting for him. He's a two faced liar. And I can't be any more clear than that. To conservative Evangelicals, he's pro-life and the killer of the Roe decision. To moderate, pro-choice voters, he's the guy who did what "everyone" wanted, by letting the states vote on abortion, but keeping it legal outside the six week ban now imposed by some conservative states. To conservative Evangelicals, he's the reason Project 2025 exists, and they wrote it for him to implement. To everyone else who is alarmed by its extremism, its pandering to billionaires and stripping the American middle class of the last vestiges of their wealth, and this is something someone else came up with that he's never heard of.
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Evangelicals are blind to the reality that Trump's agenda is anti-Christian. (Original Post) lees1975 Sep 13 OP
christshuns poozwah Sep 13 #1
Gotta find article I just read last night - survey results indicating that while Kashkakat v.2.0 Sep 13 #2
I wouldn't say that mainline Protestants are more conservative than non-Christians lees1975 Sep 13 #5
Well the article cited a survey and you know surveys - how they divide up categories and Kashkakat v.2.0 Sep 13 #9
They are not blind to it. They just don't care. Irish_Dem Sep 13 #3
Political Christians rather than Christians of faith. keithbvadu2 Sep 13 #4
They are not Christians at all. atreides1 Sep 13 #6
They just don't care. RandySF Sep 13 #7
There is a part in the Bible where Jesus responded to men claiming to be of Christ by saying Stargazer99 Sep 13 #8
There are some other descriptive phrases--- lees1975 Sep 13 #11
They have some type of handicap young_at_heart Sep 13 #10
LOL Skittles Sep 13 #12
Nuance, hell orthoclad Sep 13 #13

poozwah

(276 posts)
1. christshuns
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 11:01 AM
Sep 13

just proves that religion is not about god, but is about power, control, and the money derived from having both.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,873 posts)
2. Gotta find article I just read last night - survey results indicating that while
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 11:16 AM
Sep 13

evangelicals as a voting block may be a lost cause, mainstream protestants and even catholics arent - although still more conservative than non christians many mainstreamers are well aware that Frump and Frumpism violates many/most of their values and tenets they believe in and are therefore more reachable than evangelicals can ever be. The Harris campaign is aware of this and their faith outreach person is a mainstreamer, different from previous Dem pres. candidates whose outreach person was evangelical. The author himself is a mainstream protestant and seemed a bit irked that this distinctly different (and frankly minority) branch of christianity has been getting all the attention and is seemingly allowed to speak for all christianity.

lees1975

(5,947 posts)
5. I wouldn't say that mainline Protestants are more conservative than non-Christians
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 11:30 AM
Sep 13

There are even branches of some denominations associated with Evangelicalism that are among the most liberal politically. Here's a publication, https://baptistnews.com/ that demonstrates this.

Politically, I'm pretty far to the left. I no longer consider myself Evangelical in any way, but the church folks I hang around with now are Christians, in every sense of that term in practice, and as a result of that, are even further left politically than I am. We identify as Quaker, so we're not really mainline Protestants, but certainly doctrinal and theological centrists as far as Christianity is concerned.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,873 posts)
9. Well the article cited a survey and you know surveys - how they divide up categories and
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:10 PM
Sep 13

calculate percentages kinda determines what hte findings are. Dont recall if Quakers were considered "mainstream" or not. Your post does kinda reflect what I was getting at, which was that a) not all Christians are evangelicals, they represent only a portion, and b) a lot of Christians arent conservative and even if they are they may very well decide to vote differently this time.

Irish_Dem

(57,383 posts)
3. They are not blind to it. They just don't care.
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 11:18 AM
Sep 13

Trump hates the same people they hate.
He doesn't have to be a good person.

keithbvadu2

(40,097 posts)
4. Political Christians rather than Christians of faith.
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 11:21 AM
Sep 13

Political Christians rather than Christians of faith.

They support Trump who says he is so perfect that he does not need Christ or his forgiveness.

Like today's evangelical/religious right supporters, Trump is a Political Christian, not a Christian of faith.

Evangelicals/religious right are easily able to spin their beliefs for political expediency.

The Donald who does not have to ask Jesus for forgiveness.

The Donald who ridicules Holy Communion.

Trump: Drink my little wine, have my little cracker

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/08/13/donald-trump-religion-serfaty-dnt-erin.cnn

atreides1

(16,386 posts)
6. They are not Christians at all.
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 11:45 AM
Sep 13

The basic definition of a Christian is: A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus Christ and follows his teachings.


Those Evangelicals who continue to support Trump are not Christians, for they fail to follow the teachings of Jesus!

Stargazer99

(2,931 posts)
8. There is a part in the Bible where Jesus responded to men claiming to be of Christ by saying
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:10 PM
Sep 13

"I knew ye not" because they were not following the requirements of Christ despite their claims they were Christians. I wonder if the Evangelicals ever read that part.

lees1975

(5,947 posts)
11. There are some other descriptive phrases---
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:25 PM
Sep 13

The deceived elect

Masquerade as an angel of light

waterless clouds

autumn trees without fruit

Those are biblical descriptions.

young_at_heart

(3,852 posts)
10. They have some type of handicap
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 12:12 PM
Sep 13

They are abnormal humans but pinpointing the exact nature of that abnormality is very difficult!

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