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lees1975

(5,947 posts)
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 02:01 PM Sep 20

Religion is a factor in the election and protecting freedom of conscience and religious liberty is a priority.

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2024/09/religion-is-factor-in-2024-election.html

The first amendment to the Constitution of the United States eliminates any doubt related to whether or not the United States is a "Christian" nation, or whether it ever can be a Christian nation, depending on how any form of Christian nationalism interprets that term. It was not the intention of the founders, clearly, to establish a "Christian" nation, even by allowing a state church to attach itself to the government and then have influence over the religious practice of American citizens, which was the case in several of the states when the Constitution was written and ratified.

In fact, it was the presence of a state church in Virginia, the Church of England, and its attempt to control the religious practice of dissident Christian denominations, most notably the Baptists, through use of the law, and by persecution of their members and ministers, that convinced James Madison of the need for the Constitution to protect freedom of conscience, and religious practice and belief was at the top of his list of protections. A church, vested with government authority to enforce its own doctrine, theology and practice was not consistent with the vision of America's founding fathers.

There's no argument that Christianity, and more specifically, Protestant Christianity, has been an overwhelming Christian influence over American society and culture, and over its politics, too. Even now, Protestant church members make up a majority of the members of Congress. A majority of Americans claim affiliation with one of several branches of Protestant Christianity, or they are Catholic or Orthodox.

But this has all been the result of that first amendment right to freedom of conscience. In fact, Christian evangelism, which involves a ministry of convincing individuals they are sinners in need of a Christian conversion experience in order to be reconciled to the God who created them, through Jesus Christ, the incarnation of God in the flesh, has never enjoyed the kind of success it has experienced in those places in the world where it is free from control of the state, and required to exercise its faith spiritually, rather than enforce doctrine and practice by government edict.

State enforced Christianity is not Christianity, and it has never been successful in achieving anything but bloodshed and destruction resulting from the hatred it generates.
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Religion is a factor in the election and protecting freedom of conscience and religious liberty is a priority. (Original Post) lees1975 Sep 20 OP
It's a three-edged sword. Igel Sep 20 #1
The term "Christian nation" can have different meanings. lees1975 Sep 20 #2

Igel

(36,082 posts)
1. It's a three-edged sword.
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 06:08 PM
Sep 20

Is a Xian nation one that has a national religion that's a form of Xianity? That would be Britain, hardly the most religious of nominally Xian countries.

Is a Xian nation one that has a clear majority (less now than in previous generations) that is Xian?

The phrase is 2-way ambiguous; it means both.

Hence

There's no argument that Christianity, and more specifically, Protestant Christianity, has been an overwhelming Christian influence over American society and culture, and over its politics, too. Even now, Protestant church members make up a majority of the members of Congress. A majority of Americans claim affiliation with one of several branches of Protestant Christianity, or they are Catholic or Orthodox.
forms a kind of left-handed concession that the opponent is also correct, under one understanding of the word.

The rest is arguing over the One True Meaning of the word, but most don't want to make the argument explicit because it muddies the rhetoric and concedes half the field while making the other half unassailable.

lees1975

(5,947 posts)
2. The term "Christian nation" can have different meanings.
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 10:48 PM
Sep 20

But in the context of what we are looking at as a political influence now, it means a nation whose leaders are all Christian by similar testimony of faith, and whose laws and governance are based on Christian principles, faith enforced by government which determines how to define the term "Christian." Britain has a state church, and membership in that state church is required of its monarchs, but not of its government officials.

There is no intention to establish a nation with its leaders all of the same persuasion of Christianity in the Christian gospel, or Christian teaching, nor was there any intention of Americas founders to establish a similar nation.

Read futher in the linked article to get the main point.

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