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elleng

(136,043 posts) Wed Oct 16, 2024, 12:02 PM Oct 16

In Case of an Election Crisis, This Is What You Need to Know by Neal Katyal

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'In 2020, when Donald Trump questioned the results of the election, the courts decisively rejected his efforts, over and over again. In 2024, the judicial branch may be unable to save our democracy.

The rogues are no longer amateurs. They have spent the last four years going pro, meticulously devising a strategy across multiple fronts — state legislatures, Congress, executive branches and elected judges — to overturn any close election.

The new challenges will take place in forums that have increasingly purged officials who put country over party. They may take place against the backdrop of razor-thin election margins in key swing states, meaning that any successful challenge could potentially change the election. . .

We have just a few short weeks to understand these challenges so that we can be vigilant against them. . .

The stark reality is that there are no immediate solutions to a potential election crisis. The personnel to trigger one — in the courts, legislatures and executive branches — are largely in place.

Two votes on Nov. 5 will matter tremendously to sidestepping the chaos. One is the presidential vote. If either candidate wins the Electoral College decisively, any dispute will be rendered academic.

The other is the vote for Congress. A key point here is that it is the new House and Senate, not the existing ones, that will call the shots on Jan. 6.'>>

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/opinion/trump-election-crisis.html

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In Case of an Election Crisis, This Is What You Need to Know by Neal Katyal (Original Post) elleng Oct 16 OP

I read he supported both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh displacedvermoter Oct 16 #1

You disagree with the points in the OP excerpt? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 16 #5

I say that some of the Judiciary issues we face are in part engendered displacedvermoter Oct 16 #6

Ds are not fight Gorsuch/Kavanagh now. Ds are fighting for the ability to affect future justices Bernardo de La Paz Oct 16 #7

I don't know what you are saying about Ds not fighting displacedvermoter Oct 16 #8

Those two are already appointed. Future justice appointments hang in the balance Bernardo de La Paz Oct 16 #9

So you can't or won't evaluate Neal Katyal's OP Ed because you 'heard' he supported Gorsuch and Kavanaugh some time ago, elleng Oct 16 #10

I am at work, but a quick read displacedvermoter Oct 16 #11

No Paywall... Think. Again. Oct 16 #2

Thanks! Mme. Defarge Oct 16 #4

Make it tough as hell for them to challenge, with DECISIVE wins. usonian Oct 16 #3

displacedvermoter

(3,023 posts)

1. I read he supported both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh

Reply to elleng (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2024, 12:17 PM

Oct 16

when they were nominated to the SC. Gives me a different perspective on him now.

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,894 posts)

5. You disagree with the points in the OP excerpt?

Reply to displacedvermoter (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:02 PM

Oct 16

displacedvermoter

(3,023 posts)

6. I say that some of the Judiciary issues we face are in part engendered

Reply to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:08 PM

Oct 16

by uncertainty about the role the Supreme Court may end up filling. And part of the uncertainty stems from the presence of two extreme right wingers who he supported for their seats on the Supreme Court.

So that gives me pause about him, next time I hear from him or read something he writes. OK?

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,894 posts)

7. Ds are not fight Gorsuch/Kavanagh now. Ds are fighting for the ability to affect future justices

Reply to displacedvermoter (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:14 PM

Oct 16

After your pause are you now against the points in the OP?

displacedvermoter

(3,023 posts)

8. I don't know what you are saying about Ds not fighting

Reply to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:17 PM

Oct 16

Gorsuch/Kavanagh now. What are you trying to say?

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,894 posts)

9. Those two are already appointed. Future justice appointments hang in the balance

Reply to displacedvermoter (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:20 PM

Oct 16

I'm trying to say it would be really good to hear people addressing the points of OPs. Hearing of their opposition to Gorsuch and Kavanagh is not surprising.

elleng

(136,043 posts)

10. So you can't or won't evaluate Neal Katyal's OP Ed because you 'heard' he supported Gorsuch and Kavanaugh some time ago,

Reply to displacedvermoter (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:23 PM

Oct 16

is that what you're saying?

displacedvermoter

(3,023 posts)

11. I am at work, but a quick read

Reply to elleng (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:38 PM

Oct 16

leads me to believe Katyal supported Gorsuch because he believed he was well qualified, and he was so pissed off about the way Garland was treated that he hoped being fair to Gorsuch would in some way bring some sense of fairness back to the process of confirming SC justices. On that he got rolled.

He also, again from quick my studying, felt that Kavanagh had been exemplary in the way he supported women in the judicial system, advocating for fair treatment and equal opportunity. not sure what to make of that in light of the information that came to light on his confirmation hearings, and subsequently.

His support of these two men troubles me, is what I am saying. He had done invaluable work since then, so honestly it makes no difference what I think, he is now on the side of Democracy.

God I hate those smiley things, by the way. If you don't agree with someone's opinion, fine, the little faces are just insulting. I only think I use them when laughing on line.