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Trump: 'I Need the Kind of Generals That Hitler Had'
The Republican nominees preoccupation with dictators, and his disdain for the American military, is deepening.
By Jeffrey Goldberg
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Retired General Barry McCaffrey, a decorated Vietnam veteran, told me that Trump does not comprehend such traditional military virtues as honor and self-sacrifice. The military is a foreign country to him. He doesnt understand the customs or codes, McCaffrey said. It doesnt penetrate. It starts with the fact that he thinks its foolish to do anything that doesnt directly benefit himself.
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In their book, The Divider: Trump in the White House, Peter Baker and Susan Glasser reported that Trump asked John Kelly, his chief of staff at the time, Why cant you be like the German generals? Trump, at various points, had grown frustrated with military officials he deemed disloyal and disobedient. (Throughout the course of his presidency, Trump referred to flag officers as my generals.) According to Baker and Glasser, Kelly explained to Trump that German generals tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off. This correction did not move Trump to reconsider his view: No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him, the president responded.
This week, I asked Kelly about their exchange. He told me that when Trump raised the subject of German generals, Kelly responded by asking, Do you mean Bismarcks generals? He went on: I mean, I knew he didnt know who Bismarck was, or about the Franco-Prussian War. I said, Do you mean the kaisers generals? Surely you cant mean Hitlers generals? And he said, Yeah, yeah, Hitlers generals. I explained to him that Rommel had to commit suicide after taking part in a plot against Hitler. Kelly told me Trump was not acquainted with Rommel.
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Kellya retired Marine general who, as a young man, had volunteered to serve in Vietnam despite actually suffering from bone spurssaid in an interview for the CNN reporter Jim Sciuttos book, The Return of Great Powers, that Trump praised aspects of Hitlers leadership. He said, Well, but Hitler did some good things, Kelly recalled. I said, Well, what? And he said, Well, (Hitler) rebuilt the economy. But what did he do with that rebuilt economy? He turned it against his own people and against the world. Kelly admonished Trump: I said, Sir, you can never say anything good about the guy. Nothing.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-military-generals-hitler/680327/
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Trump: 'I Need the Kind of Generals That Hitler Had' (Original Post)
Uncle Joe
Oct 22
OP
John Kelly is now on tape saying that Trump had praised Hitler on several occasions.
LymphocyteLover
Oct 22
#4
I've been flipping the channel to FOX "News" periodically for a few minutes at a time (that's about all I can stand)
Uncle Joe
Oct 22
#5
FoxNews is fucking evil... they've been the absolute worst in propping up this monster
LymphocyteLover
Oct 23
#6
TommyT139
(697 posts)1. No paywall link
TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)2. A bit more from the "Generals" conversation, from NBC in 2022:
Blue Owl
(54,726 posts)3. How about you blow your goddamned brains out like Hitler did, Donny
LymphocyteLover
(6,749 posts)4. John Kelly is now on tape saying that Trump had praised Hitler on several occasions.
Uncle Joe
(60,130 posts)5. I've been flipping the channel to FOX "News" periodically for a few minutes at a time (that's about all I can stand)
just to see if they're covering this story but it's been crickets from the Goebbels Group so far.
However they did show *rump's photo op in a closed McDonald's as if that demonstrated his understanding of people that actually work for a living.
They're totally ignoring the warnings from the highest military members of the former *rump administration on matters of national security.
FOX "News;" Profiles in cowardice.
LymphocyteLover
(6,749 posts)6. FoxNews is fucking evil... they've been the absolute worst in propping up this monster
UpInArms
(51,793 posts)7. This entire article should be read aloud on every airwave available
In every classroom
in every town meeting
at every opportunity
Edited to add
On separate occasions in 2020, Trump held private conversations in the White House with national-security officials about the George Floyd protests. The Chinese generals would know what to do, he said, according to former officials who described the conversations to me, referring to the leaders of the Peoples Liberation Army, which carried out the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989. (Pfeiffer denied that Trump said this.) Trumps desire to deploy U.S. troops against American citizens is well documented. During the nerve-racking period of social unrest following Floyds death, Trump asked Milley and Esper, a West Point graduate and former infantry officer, if the Army could shoot protesters. Trump seemed unable to think straight and calmly, Esper wrote in his memoir. The protests and violence had him so enraged that he was willing to send in active-duty forces to put down the protesters. Worse yet, he suggested we shoot them. I wondered about his sense of history, of propriety, and of his oath to the Constitution. Esper told National Public Radio in 2022, We reached that point in the conversation where he looked frankly at General Milley, and said, Cant you just shoot them, just shoot them in the legs or something? When defense officials argued against Trumps desire, the president screamed, according to witnesses, You are all fucking losers!