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lees1975

(6,090 posts)
Mon Dec 16, 2024, 02:16 PM Monday

How will Democrats handle themselves moving forward?

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2024/12/a-month-away-from-presidential-transfer.html

There is no shortage of speculation, in the aftermath of the most consequential election of our time, about what Democrats should do, or ought to do, or aren't doing, or won't do. I've read plenty of speculation, but I think I'm capable of making my own observations without the assistance of a journalist pundit who is missing some critical thinking skills and analytical thinking ability.

My first step, and it's one I highly recommend to anyone else in this country who understands exactly what we are about to face in a second Trump Presidency, is to read through Timothy Snyder's book, On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons From the Twentieth Century. That's an important piece of information which will guarantee the ability to define exactly what is occurring in order to form reasonable, effective resistance.


If we consider the causes that motivated the Democratic party in this election as priorities, then blame for the loss is a dead issue. Gone are the days in American politics when the opposition party that lost an election shook hands, congratulated the winner and pledged bi-partisan support for whatever it was that could be supported. We Democrats set up the parameters for this election, rightly so. We called it "the most consequential election of our time," and we declared that Trump "was an existential threat to Democracy."

Well, was it? Was he?

If we act like it wasn't either of those things, then we have no credibility. We're liars, just like they are. It was all a political game and it's back to business as usual and politics as usual and hope we can do better in 2026. It will be very tempting for those Democrats who are now still in office as a minority party to try and protect what they have through self-interest, to try to hang on to their perks and privileges rather than take the kind of risks that are necessary to unify this party, fight Trump's real threat to this constitutional democracy, and find a way to defeat creeping facsism once and for all.

Real leaders will step up and take risks, rather than try to hover and protect their piece of what's left. Real leaders will take the risks that will bring genuine unity, and will motivate followers to get up off their rear ends, inform themselves about what is going on and fight for their constitutionally protected liberty.

So we need leaders who are not afraid to act like this was the most consequential election of our time, and that Trump is an existential threat to constitutional democracy. And we need to start acting like that now, before he ever takes a second oath of office that he will ignore.
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delisen

(6,560 posts)
1. I want a Democratic Republic based upon written constitution
Mon Dec 16, 2024, 02:37 PM
Monday

,that guarantees liberty and justice for all. I do not want a dictatorship.

Maybe it is time to reaffirm our beliefs before and while we prepare to fight.

lees1975

(6,090 posts)
4. I see very little among Democrats that convinces me there was a whole lot of conviction behind the claims
Mon Dec 16, 2024, 04:54 PM
Monday

that this was the most consequential election of our lifetime, and that Trump is an existential threat to democracy. I believe both of those things. We have already lost our free press, the media we have jumps to a corporate tune already, and he's making threats to go after those who are opposed to him and vocal about it. I've heard some real alarm here locally, on WCPT, the progressive radio station here in Chicago, but from other quarters in the Democratic party, silence.

And this isn't a provocative question, it's an ask for information. What's Biden doing? What is Harris doing?

I only hear a few people continuing to stand up for our rights. Stephanie Miller. Thom Hartman. David Pacman. That's about it.

Blue_Tires

(56,571 posts)
5. Biden got fucked twice by his own party
Mon Dec 16, 2024, 07:15 PM
Monday

Why are so many people demanding he "DO SOMETHING!!!"

And by "do something" we all know they mean "do something Trumpy and wholly illegal"...

lees1975

(6,090 posts)
6. Oh, please. Are we going there?
Mon Dec 16, 2024, 10:42 PM
Monday

I was on board with Biden as the nominee right up to the point where he determined he would step down and endorse Kamala. Then I was on board with her. I applauded his decision to put the good of the country before his own ambition. I contributed, volunteered, knocked doors, made calls. Because that's who I am. And I'm not changing from being a loyal Democrat one bit. I believed our leadership telling us Trump was an existential threat to democracy because I'm informed enough and know enough about it to see that he is.

The more I've thought about it, and read about it, post election, as well as some of the analysis of the vote and how things transpired, the less I like how this was done. Party leadership should have gone to Biden before primary season, had a heart to heart, and pointed out what they obviously knew then, that they didn't think he could win. I know, he's been around a long time, he has a long record of service, he was VP, I know. I will always have a lot of respect for President Biden. But if he really was interested in the good of the country, as opposed to his own political ambition, he should have been willing to step down back then, too. Would it have made a difference? We won't ever know that. I think it would have neutralized the media dominance Trump has had for four years.

And what's happened now is not very convincing, at least as far as I am concerned, that the conviction about Trump's danger to democracy was as big a deal as it was made during the campaign. We sure let the justice department drag its heels over Trump's prosecution without putting the kind of pressure on Garland that would have said, loud and clear, that Democrats believed Trump was an existential threat to democracy. Because the way that was allowed to be handled sure didn't communicate that.

We lost control of the narrative, never had it really, and never saw Biden get his name and face in the media coverage much during these past four years. That's one big reason why we needed him to step down and have an open primary. We lost a great media spokesperson when Jen Psaki left for MSNBC.

I'm not convinced at all that the party F***ed Biden twice. Nope, not at all.

Blue_Tires

(56,571 posts)
7. You do know that goddamned RFK JR
Tue Dec 17, 2024, 08:01 PM
Tuesday

Would have won an open primary on name recognition alone, right?

Naturally he would get plenty of help from an orgy of Dem infighting and some well-placed ratfucking chaos agents, but still.

Biden doesn't do petty, vindictive politics and he doesn't do sore loser sabotage out of some quest for half-assed revenge. He's got too much honor and integrity for that.

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