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Rhiannon12866

(222,238 posts)
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 01:41 AM Oct 2023

Students fight to defend school against takeover by fringe religious ideology - Alex Wagner - MSNBC



Antonia Hylton and Mike Hixenbaugh, NBC News reporters and co-hosts of the "Grapevine" podcast, talk with Alex Wagner about the fringe evangelical movement trying to seize power and impose religious values on civic institutions from town government to school boards, and the pushback by students who feel let down by the adults they had hoped would protect their school and their education. - Aired on 10/05/2023.


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Rhiannon12866

(222,238 posts)
2. Sounds like this is a problem for area students, not just that particular school
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 04:19 AM
Oct 2023

Alex Wagner said the Dallas/Fort Worth area.

Lonestarblue

(11,834 posts)
3. Dominion theology has taken over Texas government. It is now a barely democratic state.
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 04:44 AM
Oct 2023

An article in The Texas Observer explains the concept, and it’s one that should frighten anyone who values democracy over Taliban-like theocratic government. Much of this is being funded by Tim Dunn and Farris Wilks, the two oil billionaires who have used their money to shove Texas to the far right to follow their beliefs.

“Top Texas political figures have had links to dominionism for years. In 2011, the Observer covered then-Governor Rick Perry’s ties to a branch of the movement, the New Apostolic Reformation. Since then, the relationship between dominionism and right-wing politics has become even cozier.
Case in point: Ted Cruz. Although Cruz is too politically savvy to openly endorse dominionism, key figures on his team are explicit dominionists.

The most important may be his father, evangelist Rafael Cruz, a frequent surrogate for Cruz on the political stage.

Cruz père espouses Seven Mountains Dominionism, which holds that Christians must take control of seven “mountains,” or areas of life: family, religion, education, media, entertainment, business and government.”

https://www.texasobserver.org/dominion-theology/

Rhiannon12866

(222,238 posts)
4. Isn't religion in public schools against the law or does it depend on the state?
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 04:54 AM
Oct 2023

Back when I was in the earliest grades, we said a "school prayer" along with the pledge. All I remember was that it ended with "our parents, our teachers and our country," not espousing any particular religion. But while I as still in elementary school that changed. At first there was a "moment of silence," pray to ourselves if we wanted to. And then that disappeared, too, and nobody missed it. I'm in New York.

And this sounds completely unacceptable, at least where I lived, kids in school belonged to numerous religions, or no religion at all. It should be up to the parents.

Lonestarblue

(11,834 posts)
5. Prayer in schools has been unconstitutional n the past, but states like Texas are pushing for
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 05:40 AM
Oct 2023

Christian religion in schools. That’s what most of the book bans are about, as well as the efforts to change the teaching of history to reflect that some white Christians want the world to believe that the atrocities their ancestors committed against Native Americans and Black people were not real or nothing serious.

Tim Dunn and Farris Wilks have stated that their goal is to shut down all public education in Texas and send kids onoy to religious schools paid for by taxpayers. They have used their money to gain several goals over the past decade—outlawing abortion, preventing trans kids from participating in sports, and coming close to a bathroom bill targeting LGBTQ+ kids. They support extremist candidates who believe as they do and many of the Republicans in the state legislature are now those their money has elected, and they are voting to push forward the Christian right agenda.

I hope voters wake up to the threat, but too many are just too lazy to learn about what’s going on, and they’re happy so long as they can have as many guns as they want.

Rhiannon12866

(222,238 posts)
6. There are schools that include religion, but they're parochial or private schools chosen by parents
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 06:14 AM
Oct 2023

So it makes no sense to include religion in public schools, especially now that religion is experiencing a diminishing following. Back in the day, everyone espoused some religion, usually whatever one that parents passed down, but most of those that I know say that they're "lapsed" from whatever religion they were brought up with.

And not everyone who still practices a religion observes the same one, as a country we're becoming a lot more diverse. I would certainly think that most parents would object - one's beliefs are and should be a private matter unless, as I said, they chose a private or parochial school that taught whatever religion that they practice. Thanks for the explanation, this sounds like a nightmare.

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