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Uncle Joe

(60,166 posts) Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:28 AM Oct 2023

Israeli Human Rights Leader Orly Noy on Israel's War on Palestinians After Hamas Attack

Israel has declared war on Hamas after Hamas fighters launched a surprise coordinated attack over the militarized border, the largest in decades. In a military operation titled “Al-Aqsa Storm,” as many as 1,000 fighters from Hamas broke out of the blockaded Gaza Strip and carried out an unprecedented attack inside Israel on Saturday morning. Hamas cited the desecration of the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, the blockade of Gaza and increasing settler violence in the occupied West Bank as reasons for the move. Israel responded by pounding the Gaza Strip with airstrikes, which hit housing blocks, tunnels and a mosque. Over the past three days at least 1,300 people have died, including over 800 inside Israel and almost 500 in Gaza. We spend the hour discussing the unprecedented developments, starting in Jerusalem with Orly Noy, chair of the Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem and editor of the Hebrew-language news site Local Call. “There is a really strong sense of demanding revenge within the Israeli public,” reports Noy, who says the attack catching Israel off guard is a massive military intelligence failure. “Once the immediate crisis is over, the Israeli public will be demanding answers from the government and Netanyahu.”

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Israeli Human Rights Leader Orly Noy on Israel's War on Palestinians After Hamas Attack (Original Post) Uncle Joe Oct 2023 OP

And all of this killing under the guise of Religion. Therde is nohing religious True Blue American Oct 2023 #1

It is a great deal more than religion. It is about who historically lived on the land going Martin68 Oct 2023 #2

They are saying God gave them the land. True Blue American Oct 2023 #4

Israelis indeed believe God gave them the land. Palestinian believe they have a right to the land Martin68 Oct 2023 #5

Yes, but the hate still draws power from ancient, origin myths and their patriarchal cults. Magoo48 Oct 2023 #7

The truth about the formation of Israel. True Blue American Oct 2023 #8

Tribal conflicts are not the same as religious conflicts. Good point! Martin68 Oct 2023 #9

"Once the immediate crisis is over, the Israeli public will be demanding answers from the TeamProg Oct 2023 #3

Yes answers are needed and Bibi needs to be kicked out burrowowl Oct 2023 #6

Food, fuel, water and electricity. scipan Oct 2023 #10

True Blue American

(18,167 posts)

1. And all of this killing under the guise of Religion. Therde is nohing religious

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Oct 9, 2023, 10:36 AM

Oct 2023

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On either side.

Hate and revenge. I guess neither one read the paragraph on turning the other cheek to turn away wrath!

Martin68

(24,614 posts)

2. It is a great deal more than religion. It is about who historically lived on the land going

Reply to True Blue American (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 9, 2023, 11:00 AM

Oct 2023

back thousands of years, which makes it almost impossible to sort out because both sides have lived there on and off during that time. when Israel declared themselves an independent state, there was a war with neighboring Arab states during which thousands of Palestinians either voluntarily or involuntarily left their homes and land in what is now the state of Israel. One of the biggest sticking point preventing a two-state solution is the Palestinian demand that they should be allowed to return to the land and homes they fled or were expelled from in 1948. Obviously, religion plays an important role in the conflict, but the Right of Return hat has nothing whatsoever to do with religion.

True Blue American

(18,167 posts)

4. They are saying God gave them the land.

Reply to Martin68 (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 9, 2023, 11:36 AM

Oct 2023

Just a poor excuse to steal.

Did God give nstive American Natives the land too? It is just a poor excuse and there is nothing Religous in it!

Martin68

(24,614 posts)

5. Israelis indeed believe God gave them the land. Palestinian believe they have a right to the land

Reply to True Blue American (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 9, 2023, 12:11 PM

Oct 2023

for hundreds of years. Israelis are building towns inside Palestinian territory. To the Palestinians, and the world community, that is Palestinian land and has nothing to do with a god. Open your mind a little and realize that its is not all about God.

Magoo48

(5,388 posts)

7. Yes, but the hate still draws power from ancient, origin myths and their patriarchal cults.

Reply to Martin68 (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 9, 2023, 01:12 PM

Oct 2023

True Blue American

(18,167 posts)

8. The truth about the formation of Israel.

Reply to Magoo48 (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 9, 2023, 01:40 PM

Oct 2023

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel

Martin68

(24,614 posts)

9. Tribal conflicts are not the same as religious conflicts. Good point!

Reply to Magoo48 (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 9, 2023, 03:02 PM

Oct 2023

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)

3. "Once the immediate crisis is over, the Israeli public will be demanding answers from the

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Oct 9, 2023, 11:23 AM

Oct 2023

government and Netanyahu.”

Any good Right Winger knows that the answer to that is never let a good crisis go to waste and keep the crisis alive to save your own ass as needed. Fuck everyone / evetything else.

burrowowl

(18,029 posts)

6. Yes answers are needed and Bibi needs to be kicked out

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Oct 9, 2023, 12:15 PM

Oct 2023

scipan

(2,636 posts)

10. Food, fuel, water and electricity.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Oct 9, 2023, 04:36 PM

Oct 2023

Not a good decision...

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