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cilla4progress

(25,435 posts)
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 09:11 PM Aug 27

My heart is breaking

My sister's husband is dying right now. She just got covid, so, can't see him for 10 days. He is losing lucidity. Eliza and Henry (pseudonyms) are 7 years older, so, mid 70s.

In 1965, Eliza was accepted to an elite women's college in New England. She was a modern dancer, natural artist, musician, singer, actor, dancer, brilliant. We were a middle class family, so, I don't know how my parents afforded it!

A year later, in her sophomore year (I was a rough and ready, independent 14 year old), she had a crushing nervous breakdown. What ensued was years and years of hospitalizations, heavy medication, even - I think - electroshock therapy. I saw her try to commit suicide by lighting her dress on fire.

It was the 60s - way, way pre-enlightment. There was shame, secrecy, grappling with insurance coverage. No one ever discussed any of it with me - ever! These are all the details I really know. There was no family counseling...

She never entirely recovered, though she was functional. I think she's had like 40 jobs! She is smarter than anyone I know. I believe she was diagnosed szichzophrenic. I don't believe she continued with any medication or therapy herself. She married this sweet guy - who is now dying - her rock. They had 2 sons, one of whom himself has now been hospitalized with mental health issues, the other with whom I had a recent heartfelt conversation - our first and only (so far) about his painful childhood.

It strikes me how much luck and serendipity loom so large in people's lives. There but for..what? I can't really say.. fortune? go I. She isn't bad or wrong. She apologized for being crazy for decades! My heart aches..

I'm on the other side of the country. I left that home in the 1970s to start over out west. I had to, to save myself. So, I'm quite distant from her, but I do what I can to remain supportive and engaged in their lives.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'll find a good listening ear and likely even some insight here.





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My heart is breaking (Original Post) cilla4progress Aug 27 OP
I'm so sorry for your pain and the coming loss of your BIL.. sinkingfeeling Aug 27 #1
Thank cilla4progress Aug 27 #2
I am sorry you are going through this. mercuryblues Aug 27 #3
Thanks cilla4progress Aug 27 #4
((🫶)) Deuxcents Aug 27 #5
Peace. cachukis Aug 27 #6
I remember from the 60's Dan Aug 27 #7
This is truly hard. delisen Aug 27 #8
How very odd it is that if our most complex organ, our brain, is not working... 3catwoman3 Aug 27 #9
Yes, emails, primarily. cilla4progress Aug 28 #25
This is a heartbreaker....so, so sorry.... Karadeniz Aug 27 #10
Oh cilla4progress let me wrap my arms around you.Mental Illness runs through out my mother's family . My grandmother had debm55 Aug 27 #11
... alwaysinasnit Aug 27 #12
kick debm55 Aug 27 #13
I am so sorry. I hope your sister has support where she is, I fear she will need it. I also hope your brother-in-law LoisB Aug 27 #14
Dear Cilla, I am so very sorry for your heartache... Hekate Aug 27 #15
Terrible. You're right about luck. harumph Aug 27 #16
That's rough. The 60s was a hard time. My parents were WWII generation - the greatest PatrickforB Aug 27 #17
I know what you mean! cilla4progress Aug 28 #26
Holding you and your sister and the whole family in my heart. n/t TygrBright Aug 27 #18
A BIG hug to you. iluvtennis Aug 27 #19
Aw, Cilla, gotta say I'm just glad you're HERE. calimary Aug 27 #20
Lovely sentiment Phentex Aug 28 #28
I am so sorry for your pain MerrilyMerrily Aug 27 #21
Families are complicated dlk Aug 28 #22
Ugh that sounds tough IbogaProject Aug 28 #23
I'm so sorry. HeartsCanHope Aug 28 #24
Sending you hugs and love, cilla gademocrat7 Aug 28 #27
Oh, my...... Bayard Aug 28 #29
Thank you, cilla4progress Aug 28 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Bayard Aug 28 #30
Thinking of you! Phentex Aug 28 #32
My sister's husband passed this morning. cilla4progress Aug 28 #33
I am sorry cilla4progress. I am sorry. May his memories be a blessing to the family. debm55 Aug 28 #34
I'm so very sorry. HeartsCanHope Aug 28 #36
Thank you, cilla4progress Aug 28 #37
So sorry. Elessar Zappa Aug 28 #38
Very sorry for your situation, Cilla! Different Drummer Aug 28 #35

mercuryblues

(14,771 posts)
3. I am sorry you are going through this.
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 09:28 PM
Aug 27

May you find the strength to help your family. Covid has a way with making heartache even more harsh.

Dan

(3,912 posts)
7. I remember from the 60's
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 09:44 PM
Aug 27

People with mental illness, they just committed them to institutions. I was a kid then, but I remember the conversations that if someone had a mental illness and you reported them, the institution would give you $75 if they ended up getting committed. True or false, don’t know just something we kids would say.

delisen

(6,330 posts)
8. This is truly hard.
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 09:46 PM
Aug 27

Yes so much does seem to be chance.and without reason.
That you have stayed connected, even across the country is meaningful. Certainly now for her son too.

I used to chastise myself for not doing more but I have thought about how often in my own life a word, a conversation,, a caring encounter has been meaningful to me at particularly hard times

Listening, sharing, caring, being human, being present in another person’s life even though there is no way to change the past and. what has and is happening.

3catwoman3

(24,993 posts)
9. How very odd it is that if our most complex organ, our brain, is not working...
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 09:46 PM
Aug 27

...properly, that is often scoffed at, good care can be hard to find, and insurance often does not cover much. If you have a broken arm, or pneumonia, or appendicitis, etc, etc - no problem getting help.

I'm a bit younger than your sister. Not much was talked about in the 1950-60s.

What ways have you found to remain engaged and supportive in the past, and do you think those approaches will still work?

cilla4progress

(25,435 posts)
25. Yes, emails, primarily.
Wed Aug 28, 2024, 11:53 AM
Aug 28

She has an explosive temperament, so, it can be hard to have direct contact.

I always respond when she emails me. We share progressive political views.

Her health and mobility aren't good.

Thank you!

debm55

(30,644 posts)
11. Oh cilla4progress let me wrap my arms around you.Mental Illness runs through out my mother's family . My grandmother had
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 10:12 PM
Aug 27

electroshock treatment twice. She had 7 children but would have been better if she had none. She sexually abused every Saturday when she gave me a bath. As you say it was brushed under the rug--no doctor's reports on a five year old with urinary infections. My mother slept with my sister until she was 18, My brother is schizophrenic--no meds , no doctors. it was swept under the rug as my parents allowed him to call me constantly a pimple face whore and beat the shit out of me.Sister nearly strangled me. My mother watched. I was taken to the hospital and never asked how I got the hand marks around my neck. But I was given a neck brace. I tell you this not to overshadow your story, but to tell you that you are strong. You left as I did. There are more horrors to my story as I am sure there are in yours. I have seen doctors and I am on meds to help me sleep as the images become vivid at night. You are loved. I cut all ties with my family after my husband was told he had Maliginant cancer "Everyone dies, why are you crying." No empathy or love. You are strong. You moved out to save yourself. It is your journey to live without the pain whether it's emotional or physical. You deserve more. I m sorry you are going through this. But you are tough. My dad died last september.I was told that I will have to take care of my brother and sister as they will given the house and I am to pay their bills.My own son has mental problems as his birth mother was on cocaine. Please keep in touch with your nephew. He will need you now. He needs your love and understanding. My family I can't help,as their lies and abuse still haunt me. Perhaps you are stronger then I . You are strong and loving. If you have relatives nearby ask them to support your sister and son, I hope you view this post as someone who cares about you and the effect it has on you.My parents closed the windows so the neighbors couldn't hear me screaming everytime he beat me. I wish your BIL a passing without pain and the family a chance to go through the stages of grief as best as they are able. You can email if you want. I will be here for you. but remember, no matter what ---you are loved, undertanding, caring,amd strong.and brave. Love you, Debbie.

LoisB

(7,975 posts)
14. I am so sorry. I hope your sister has support where she is, I fear she will need it. I also hope your brother-in-law
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 11:15 PM
Aug 27

passes peacefully and your sister can visit him before then.

Hekate

(93,494 posts)
15. Dear Cilla, I am so very sorry for your heartache...
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 11:21 PM
Aug 27

I have known a couple of families that have had a schizophrenic child. We know more than we used to, but still not enough. We do know there is a genetic component. We do know it seems to strike first in late adolescence — in other words, just about the time the law says a person is an adult, which means that rich or poor the parents have their hands tied.

I think you are right when you think “There but for fortune, “ and know it is so unfair that someone we love could be in so much pain and cause so much pain. Of our medical system I have often said, “I was lucky nothing bad happened, but the outcome shouldn’t be about luck. “

Be strong in yourself so you can continue to take care of yourself. Be at peace, as best you can.


harumph

(2,140 posts)
16. Terrible. You're right about luck.
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 11:22 PM
Aug 27

Some people tragically get the short straw and it's really hard when that someone is somebody you love.

PatrickforB

(14,939 posts)
17. That's rough. The 60s was a hard time. My parents were WWII generation - the greatest
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 11:22 PM
Aug 27

generation, as I'm sure yours were.

They were good people but no one every talked much about stuff. I can remember my dad doing a long slow circle of the drain. It took about 5 years and he went bankrupt. He never recovered and became bitter and mean.

It took me until my mid forties before I even knew who I actually am rather than who I was raised to be, if that makes sense.

This can be a very hard and cruel place, and my heart goes out to you and especially your sister. I'm sorry for her husband dying too.

We're all here, you know. And we care. At least I do.

cilla4progress

(25,435 posts)
26. I know what you mean!
Wed Aug 28, 2024, 11:59 AM
Aug 28

It was such a dysfunctional childhood, I didn't even know what I physically FELT till I was in my late 20s.

Disassociated.

My parents loved us and did the best they could with their knowledge and tools.

I was so terrified to be responsible for a family's mental well-being we stopped after 1. Even now, I'm far more simpatico with animals than with people.

calimary

(83,433 posts)
20. Aw, Cilla, gotta say I'm just glad you're HERE.
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 11:42 PM
Aug 27

When I’ve had bumpy stretches of road, I cherished friends and loved ones who were there for me and gave me moral support. I do believe this-here hangout is full of people who sincerely care, and comfort.

Again I find myself quoting our beloved Skittles, who once posted an observation that has turned into pure emotional gold for me: “someone’s always here.” I can’t begin to describe how much that has helped to buoy me up. And it has the added advantage of being TRUE!

Please come here! Share how you’re feeling. Let us know how you’re feeling and coping, or even how you THINK you’re falling short. The compassion and camaraderie here is honest, compassionate, and yes - helpful. If NOTHING else, it will help you understand that you’re not going through this alone.

MerrilyMerrily

(151 posts)
21. I am so sorry for your pain
Tue Aug 27, 2024, 11:47 PM
Aug 27

It's hard to love so deeply and to be so sad, so far away. Your family knows how much you care about them and that helps them so much, I'm sure.

dlk

(12,112 posts)
22. Families are complicated
Wed Aug 28, 2024, 12:03 AM
Aug 28

It’s heartbreaking when those we love are struggling and we’re not able to alleviate their suffering, or the suffering of those closest to them, and I wish for you, and your family, the best possible outcome.

Bayard

(23,541 posts)
29. Oh, my......
Wed Aug 28, 2024, 12:30 PM
Aug 28

I think its much harder to watch a loved one go through such tough times, then to do it yourself. I've been on both sides of the equation, with mental illness genes running strong in my family.
The best thing to do is to listen and commiserate. As you said, remain supportive and engaged in their lives. Call her every day if need be. Tell her you love her. Just being there for her to lean on is the most important thing. And take care of yourself and your own health.

We're with you.

Response to cilla4progress (Original post)

cilla4progress

(25,435 posts)
33. My sister's husband passed this morning.
Wed Aug 28, 2024, 02:56 PM
Aug 28

Fortunately she was able to be there, despite having covid.

😥😥😥

HeartsCanHope

(468 posts)
36. I'm so very sorry.
Wed Aug 28, 2024, 05:18 PM
Aug 28

At least she got to be with him. Your sister, you, and your family will be in my thoughts. Take care.

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