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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsIf you could move to any country, what country would you go to? Me--- France
Funtatlaguy
(11,764 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)(and I did it.)
debm55
(34,162 posts)ramedy
(57 posts)I came back to vote. 👍
Polly Hennessey
(7,370 posts)came over from there. Maybe, Ireland where my husbands family is from.
debm55
(34,162 posts)malthaussen
(17,647 posts)... and that is a liability. Even though Labour won massively the past General Election, they are about as truly Progressive as the Dems are in this country -- ie, not very. The Neoliberalism is still strong there.
-- Mal
RainCaster
(11,468 posts)When they had a gun problem, they did the obvious. A country like that has my respect.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Bayard
(24,028 posts)Although COL seems pretty high.
wryter2000
(47,260 posts)The country is incredibly beautiful and sparsely populated. The north island climate is like my beloved Oakland.
anciano
(1,526 posts)my paternal grandfather was from Palermo, Sicily.
debm55
(34,162 posts)CTyankee
(64,789 posts)Here in New York, Washington, and Boston and, because I live near enough to NYC, I would fly to the European art museums I love so dearly: the Louvre, Musee d'Orsay in Paris, Uffizi and Accademia in Florence, London's National Gallery, others in Milan and in little museums in towns of northern Italy.
I see reviews of the exhibits in those museums and others in the NYT and I feel the urge to just pack and go like I used to. But I must be honest, I am too old at this point.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Ocelot II
(120,002 posts)Great scenery, good government, ancestors from there; some shirttail relatives whom US family members have already met, and I know enough of the language to get around.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Finland. Thank you Ocelot II
LearnedHand
(3,960 posts)Unbelievably gorgeous country. Love the language. Love the public transportation. Did you ever see any of the sherpatrappa when you visited there?
Siwsan
(27,234 posts)But, yea, north Wales would be my dream. It's been my experience with the Welsh that if you are proud of your Welsh bloodline and have a Welsh surname, the odds are they have family members with that same surname and figure you might be related. That's my experience, anyway, every time I've visited.
As for Canada, being from Michigan I do speak pretty fluent Canadian and think they are among the loveliest people on earth.
debm55
(34,162 posts)there and when coming to the USA the family spoke Finn at home.
Siwsan
(27,234 posts)I speak enough to be polite. (Good morning, afternoon, evening, Hello, Thank You,)
debm55
(34,162 posts)was very fluent in the language.Her older sisters were not allowed in Public school until they learned English.That't the only reason Toini learned English.
Mister Ed
(6,326 posts)Even their cows are pretty. And I have no idea where they hide their garbage, but you never see it.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Prairie_Seagull
(3,696 posts)in most countries, are like. Switzerland is IMO the cleanest country I have seen. Generally folks really don't pay high attention to train routes from a cleanliness perspective.
I use them on my treadmill.
debm55
(34,162 posts)NBachers
(18,011 posts)Prairie_Seagull
(3,696 posts)If one concentrates on the vanishing point of the tracts. Time and distance fly by on these old legs. In addition the motion seems to promote my walking gate.
WheelWalker
(9,179 posts)take me to New Zealand.
debm55
(34,162 posts)mikewv
(133 posts)US Dollar does well there, currently 60 DOP - 1 USD. Affordable for Americans. Beautiful weather, good food and wonderful people. I am planning to retire there asap.
debm55
(34,162 posts)lucca18
(1,297 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)arkielib
(328 posts)Unfortunately I don't speak any foreign languages, and at my age (66) I would probably have difficulty learning one. I did take French in high school, but that was a few years ago. I once spent a week in Ireland and loved it. My husband would probably want to go to Scotland though. Maybe we would toss a coin over it.
debm55
(34,162 posts)OnDoutside
(20,633 posts)Half of it is confidence, and the other half is the locals appreciating you trying to speak their language, and they'll help you.
I'm Irish and live in Ireland.
arkielib
(328 posts)I may try that out! I'll add it to my list of things I want to do when I retire next year.
OnDoutside
(20,633 posts)My brother took up Duolingo Italian 18 months ago and bought property in Sicily 6 months ago. The locals he has met have been great and very helpful. If you do intend to move somewhere, visit first, then go back and rent in a place you like. Only after that, if you like the place, would you consider buying.
We used to have a place in Spain until we sold it to buy a rental back here in Ireland. It was a wise decision as the rents here are high. I don't think we would ever buy abroad again as you can rent long term for reasonable prices in places like Spain and Italy. As an example, my other brother has retired and is currently in Spain for 3 months for around 2k at a 3 bed Airbnb.
arkielib
(328 posts)LearnedHand
(3,960 posts)If you have an open, flexible, curious mind you can easily learn anything new language. And I heartily second DuoLingo. It's very fun, sort of silly, and VERY effective.
arkielib
(328 posts)I think I'll start with Spanish.
BlueSky3
(687 posts)France. I lived there for 3 1/2 years as a kid. But they have their troubles, too.
debm55
(34,162 posts)BlueSky3
(687 posts)Im not going anywhere, but its fun to look at different regions and imagine what life is like there.
RoadRunner
(4,585 posts)English speaking, close enough to US for medical care, beautiful tropical country, easy immigration.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,781 posts)malthaussen
(17,647 posts)If we were young, there are places that would pay us to move there -- as close as Canada, but also Italy, Spain...
-- Mal
debm55
(34,162 posts)Bristlecone
(10,451 posts)Ireland is a semi-near second I think.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Buildings. But would love to live on a farm.
malthaussen
(17,647 posts)Finland is supposed to be nice, too, but too close to that madman Putin.
-- Mal
debm55
(34,162 posts)would not want to live there.
LoisB
(8,473 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)FakeNoose
(35,321 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)LakeArenal
(29,721 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)Cairycat
(1,754 posts)I'm fairly fluent. There are right-wing extremists there (Alternative für Deutschland party) but healthcare, concern for the environment, worker rights, are all much better than here.
debm55
(34,162 posts)ailsagirl
(23,698 posts)love_katz
(2,744 posts)I would want the land to look like my home. I live in the Pacific Northwest.
debm55
(34,162 posts)area.
Joinfortmill
(16,222 posts)and/or Finland. I admire the Nordic model.
debm55
(34,162 posts)JT45242
(2,805 posts)Beautiful and run by grown ups.
Wouldn't mind working for their education ministry.
debm55
(34,162 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(176,697 posts)Half of my mother's family is still there and we're in contact. I hate to say this, but the branch I'm closest to are in the judiciary and have said they'd clear the way. On the down side, my French is quite rusty, I only speak a few words of Luxembourgish, but everyone speaks English.
The plus side is that it's the way you always expect Europe to be. The modern business area where there are EU offices is at some distance from the historic city center of the capital. And it's stable!
debm55
(34,162 posts)northoftheborder
(7,602 posts)Or New Zealand
debm55
(34,162 posts)Italy, we were posted there for 2 years, and its an outstanding Country, especially when you get out of the big cities.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Marigold
(120 posts)I go to Canada quite often and pretend I am in France. I can barely function with the language barrier as it is.
debm55
(34,162 posts)gopiscrap
(24,137 posts)have dual citizenship
debm55
(34,162 posts)Historic NY
(37,771 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)Metaphorical
(2,177 posts)Yes, Scotland is in the UK, but I expect one day it won't be. Their sensibilities are a lot more like the Baltic countries.
I've lived in Canada, may very well move back there. As it stands, I live in Washington State now, and if Trump does come to power (shudder), I have a feeling that we would petition Canada to let us join them.
debm55
(34,162 posts)LogDog75
(79 posts)I was stationed, twice, in England and Germany and I loved both countries. England has a lot of history, it's easy to get around, and there isn't much of a language barrier. Germany is larger but their train system is great for travel. It's a lot more scenic than England and has better food (I'd say even better food than France). Language can be a problem but most Germans speak some English and they'll open up to you if you try to speak to them in their language.
debm55
(34,162 posts)displacedvermoter
(2,889 posts)Toronto area.
debm55
(34,162 posts)displacedvermoter
(2,889 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)Deep State Witch
(11,158 posts)If they didn't have their own problem with a Fascist leader right now. I might look at Croatia, too.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Deep State Witch
(11,158 posts)My mother's family is Croatian, but it was my great-great grandparents. I don't know if I would qualify for citizenship. As for Italy, I really liked it when we were there, but it was too fucking hot. Same with Greece. I would love to live in Greece, but it was horrendously hot there when we were there in September. My husband and I both loved Australia, especially Brisbane.
LogDog75
(79 posts)I deployed to the capital, Zagreb, of Croatia in the first quarter of 1995 during the Balkans Crisis. The city is beautiful and easy to get around. Went white water rafting, twice, and visited some of the countryside. I'd love to go back and revisit Zagreb and the rest of the country.
enid602
(8,970 posts)Argentina. The most European country in Latin America. The most cultured and educated. The most passionate and engaging people. The best architecture. Buenos Aires is the Paris of the West. The land of Tango, Milonga, and ice cream parlors. An afternoon paseo. The city with the worlds largest Italian population, and Bolivian, Hassidic, Arab and Korean minorities. Fútbol. Botánico. Recoleta and Palermo. Jacaranda in bloom. Parrilla. Fernet y Coca.
That said, the most crazy, disorganized, poorly run place on Earth. Yet just across the bay from Montevideo. Uruguay is the Switzerland of South America. Peaceful, prosperous, tranquil, and it has fabulous beaches. Cheap, good quality medicine, even for Seniors. And one of only five countries on Earth where you only declare wages physically earned in country, and do not have to supply a copy of your US tax declaration. Again, important for seniors. But you do need to speak Spanish.
debm55
(34,162 posts)AllaN01Bear
(22,874 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)AllaN01Bear
(22,874 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)duncang
(3,336 posts)Pre-tfg U.S. or maybe post-tfg. Come on elections dump him in the trash heap of history.
I loved my trip to Scotland and Sweden. But Im here to stay.
debm55
(34,162 posts)4TheArts
(103 posts)During Raegan's term my late wife and I took action to emigrate to Scotland. The British embassy helped us learn what would be required. I went back to school to become a nurse. They were short of nurses and nuclear physicists, and getting a needful job was necessary. We had already been on holiday in Scotland a dozen times and knew that Skye would be home to us. When she turned ill the plans were aborted. "Twas a real shame. the head nurse at a clinic a bit north of Portree had wanted me to apply as soon as could be. And that wife of mine was already a champion shortbread baker in the states.
Current wife won't leave the US while her mom is alive. If Felon were to take the White House, Scotland would be my planned escape.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Aristus
(68,068 posts)It was the last feudal state anywhere in the world, with the Seignieur of Sark owning the island and everything on it, and deriving his income from it. Sark switched over to a market economy in 2008.
The tiny island, too small to even host a golf course, has a population of around 500, permits no cars on the island, only tractors and bicycles, and is a designated "dark sky" location, making star-gazing there some of the best in the world.
If I were wealthy enough, I'd love to purchase a small cottage there, move my books into it, and live out a quiet, comfortable retirement far from the chaos and frenetic pace of the world.
debm55
(34,162 posts)True Dough
(19,899 posts)island of Snark!
Luciferous
(6,227 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)a kennedy
(31,814 posts)☘️ ☘️ ☘️
debm55
(34,162 posts)Emile
(28,683 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)BlueKota
(3,319 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)BlueKota
(3,319 posts)were from there.
Harker
(14,722 posts)Love it.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Always had a thing for Ancient Greece.
debm55
(34,162 posts)apcalc
(4,501 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)MuseRider
(34,330 posts)After several hurricanes since I was last there I have seen most of the things I loved the best where I would want to live disappear but I am certain the people there are still fun and kind. Mainly it would be to spend the remaining years of my life scuba diving.
debm55
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debm55
(34,162 posts)believe that he will win. It is simply a matter of where would you like to live if given the opportunity. what are the reasons--the food. the sites to see that we only see on TV or in books. I picked France. I speak English. some Yiddish, some Spanish, and Ukranian. Do I speak French. Not at all.However most of us have dreams--some will be fullfilled others won't. I can dream about the Art of France and Rome, The Architecture of Rome, Paris and Greece. and foods of Different lands. Actually , Japan has always been on my bucket list. as the number one spot to live. But France would be easier to get to. I understand as a person of Ukrainian background to pick the right place. I thank you for your concern. I can't post for everyone, But I can dream. But this post is not political simply=where would you like to live.
PJMcK
(22,793 posts)I saw it in Latest. Ill delete.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Or Spain. On the Med.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Husband is from Boston but the water is so darn cold. Come back and post here more often.
GP6971
(32,676 posts)a definitive location.
debm55
(34,162 posts)surfered
(2,616 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)surfered
(2,616 posts)It was set during the Vietnam War. One character was about to be drafted and was advised to flee to Canada. He complained they speak French and was advised to learn French or die. Its so hard, they dont pronounce all the letters in their words! Aaarrrggghh!
debm55
(34,162 posts)Lunabell
(6,741 posts)The land of my ancestors. Rugged, green, gorgeous landscapes.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Lunabell
(6,741 posts)And spend a few nights in a haunted castle!! And France has her fair share of castles. Mont Ste. Michelle, a centuries old fortress/monastery/prison in Normandy seems like it would be haunted.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Lunabell
(6,741 posts)Or unexplained phenomena? Which castle? How fun that would be.
GoneOffShore
(17,578 posts)NBachers
(18,011 posts)We traveled all over by rail, all the way up to Glasgow and down to Canterbury. I could spend the rest of my life exploring, or just hangin' out watching the Thames roll by.
debm55
(34,162 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(6,148 posts)One, Montpellier... south of France. Family is originally from the area.
Two... Santorini. Not sure why, the place just calls to me.
debm55
(34,162 posts)PlanetBev
(4,184 posts)Copenhagen and Bergen are beautiful.
debm55
(34,162 posts)ailsagirl
(23,698 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,936 posts)and gives them quite a few discounts.
In 2005--worried about Bush--my husband and I bought property there and went through the process to obtain permanent resident visas. After Obama won in 2008, we sold the property in Panama.
In 2016--worried about Trump--we made an offer on a condo on Bonaire. Flying home from there my husband got cold feet, and we backed out. I wished he hadn't and that was the start of a process for me to seriously think about separating from him.
In 2017, I left him, with the intent to spend six months in France/Spain/Portugal once the divorce was finalized to decide whether I could move to one of those countries. I was leaning France because I had friends there. My husband killed himself in Dec 2018 before we divorced, and between the aftermath of that and having a senior dog that I didn't want to leave for six months, I never got around to the look/see Europe trip. I was on Bonaire in March 2020 when Covid hit, and just managed to get home before the airport there was closed for 15 months. I ended up buying a house to be built here, and moved into it on Jan 6, 2021.
I'm done. Trump is not going to win and at 73 and single I no longer have the energy to even think about moving abroad somewhere by myself. If my sons--who are both here within 20 minutes of my house --were to leave the country, I'd go with them. But alone? Nope.
Trump is not going to win.
debm55
(34,162 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,578 posts)Now have our 10-year residents cards, driving licenses, health cards, and a working knowledge of French bureaucracy. Our French language skills are improving, and we've made lots of friends here.Whoever wins, we have no desire to return to the US, even for visits as, apart from some friends, there is nothing there that appeals to us any longer (well, apart from lobster rolls and Mexican food - though we can go to Paris for those).
We chose Aix because it's close to Marseille, a three-hour drive from Barcelona, four hours from Germany, and two hours to Italy. It's also not a medical desert, which is a problem in rural France.
The daily market in Aix on Place Richelme, where I sometimes have coffee.
debm55
(34,162 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,845 posts)Seen some nice videos about it posted by American expats.
debm55
(34,162 posts)if..fish..had..wings
(788 posts)debm55
(34,162 posts)doc03
(36,508 posts)visited Canada a couple times. It would be a toss-up, in Canada they speak English, I found Germany much like
Ohio in many ways, climate in particular.
debm55
(34,162 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,949 posts)I was stationed there for a year and loved the people, food, weather, music, everything. That was back 1990/91.
Most Egyptians spoke at least some English, many were fluent, and maybe because they are very dependent on tourist dollars, the people were very tolerant of us Westerners and very helpful and welcoming. I felt much safer there than in any U.S. city.
The cost of living is roughly 65% lower than here in the U.S., which is also a nice thing.
Estimated monthly cost of living, including rent, for a family of four living in Cairo is 1,086 dollars.
P.S. I am very glad to see you here and hope all is well with you! 💙🙏
debm55
(34,162 posts)ProfessorGAC
(69,462 posts)I've been to 41 other countries, so:
Italy: I speak enough of the language to get by (non sono fluente), so being immersed I think I'd get much better quickly.
Australia: Friendly environment that likes Americans. However, I got the feeling they like Americans to visit. Not sure how they feel about us staying.
England: been there many times & knew 3 people who took expat assignments. They enjoyed their time.
I really enjoyed Japan, but pretty sure they don't care for people moving there.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Professor GAC. your life and travels sound very interesting,
ProfessorGAC
(69,462 posts)Not sure how my wife tolerated it.
I was gone 20-24 weeks each year for at 25 years, or more.
In the last 18 or 19 of those years, well over 50% was international.
The difficulty of juggling schedules is what really drove me to walk away from rock band life. That plus I was getting old!
debm55
(34,162 posts)where Rich worked---about 10 miles east of us. I worked 10 miles west of us. We didn't figure in the travel that rich would do. In fact he didn't do much traveling until I went back to work. I would get up at five, shower, etc and feed and dress my son and travel the ten miles to the DayCare and the back the twenty miles back. Make dinner, take care of son and do homework. He traveled about 2 weeks a month. I admire women the could do that. I wasn't one of them, I was exhausted.
Elessar Zappa
(15,421 posts)Unfortunately Im disabled so no country will have me, which is understandable because Id be a net drain on their system.
debm55
(34,162 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 30, 2024, 10:40 AM - Edit history (1)
That is a shame.area51
(12,106 posts)I have ancestors from Wales and Ireland.