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frankly_fedup2

(2,852 posts)
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 10:23 AM Jul 2015

Regarding the confederate flag

I have a question that some of you may know. Has there ever been a symbol or emblem or anything from any part of our history, good or bad, ever been banned from government property? I know the confederate flag isn't being banned from private use, but even flag companies are discontinuing production of it. With that, how does a private citizen purchase one? Also, are they discontinuing the German flag production of the SS? The confederate flag is a part of our history, a bad history. However what is next? Statues of Robert E. Lee. Being removed? Are we trying to rewrite history. I don't believe The flag companies have discontinued production of the Nazi Flag. Both are flags of hate and suffering, but should they disappear? They are part of history. What's next, book burning? Also, some of you may assume I'm racist but I'm not. I'm just trying to understand.

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Regarding the confederate flag (Original Post) frankly_fedup2 Jul 2015 OP
There's a little thing called google... luvspeas Jul 2015 #1
Thanks . . . frankly_fedup2 Jul 2015 #2
Just because major (responsible) flag manufacturers won't make these flags hardly means hlthe2b Jul 2015 #3
Why is it I question why frankly_fedup2 Jul 2015 #10
AND BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE! TROLL...N/T luvspeas Jul 2015 #13
thanks for being lazy and having and agenda n/t luvspeas Jul 2015 #7
And my agenda from frankly_fedup2 Jul 2015 #11
please. these are not just questions. what are you 5? luvspeas Jul 2015 #12
I meant nothing frankly_fedup2 Jul 2015 #16
you are the only person that called you a racist dude... quit trying to stir up excrement. luvspeas Jul 2015 #17
It has been strongly frankly_fedup2 Jul 2015 #18
so nobody has bothered to tell you the truth until now... luvspeas Jul 2015 #19
As to your orignal question, given there is that small constitutional matter of separation of church hlthe2b Jul 2015 #4
I'm talking about American History frankly_fedup2 Jul 2015 #8
You would do well to read a little history and not from the "bible" hlthe2b Jul 2015 #15
It is clear you don't know the actual history of this specific flag or are ignoring it. Start here: hlthe2b Jul 2015 #20
Religious symbols are prohibited on public propery. nt procon Jul 2015 #5
Here you go ... GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #6
No need for the frankly_fedup2 Jul 2015 #9
AND THERE IT GOES AGAIN! BOOM! N/T luvspeas Jul 2015 #14
Its a decision from private companies not law and removal from a capitol building doesn't mean a ban NathanSharp Aug 2015 #21
Just because Hanes underwear isn't flown over congress doesn't mean there's a ban on underwear. NathanSharp Aug 2015 #22

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
1. There's a little thing called google...
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jul 2015

perhaps you have heard of it.

What's your point? The companies that decided not to sell confederate flag merch did so voluntarily. there's no law. They can burn all the books they want so long as they own them.

Flying the flag of a group of rebels who fought my country and lost is treason and I don't want it on government funded property.

hlthe2b

(106,359 posts)
3. Just because major (responsible) flag manufacturers won't make these flags hardly means
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jul 2015

they will not be available. There is always a niche market for such crap.... I'm sure you would only have to go to your local internet hate sites--kkk, stormfront and others to find ads for where to purchase white supremist, Nazi and similar paraphernalia, including the confederate flag. And, there will be reputable non-public sources that make those flags for museums wishing only to preserve history.

frankly_fedup2

(2,852 posts)
10. Why is it I question why
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jul 2015

And everyone automatically thinks I'm racist and want to buy a flag? That's insane.

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
12. please. these are not just questions. what are you 5?
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 11:54 AM
Jul 2015

I know the confederate flag isn't being banned from private use, but even flag companies are discontinuing production of it. With that, how does a private citizen purchase one?

Also, are they discontinuing the German flag production of the SS?

The confederate flag is a part of our history, a bad history. However what is next? Statues of Robert E. Lee. Being removed?

Are we trying to rewrite history. I don't believe The flag companies have discontinued production of the Nazi Flag. Both are flags of hate and suffering, but should they disappear? They are part of history. What's next, book burning? Also, some of you may assume I'm racist but I'm not. I'm just trying to understand.

I'm not assuming you are racist but I am assuming you have an agenda. I'm quite certain you will be able to find a confederate flag somewhere. China maybe? Why do you ask what's next?

Again, just google some of your questions and you will find the answers. No need to ask her UNLESS you want to be divisive and create a discussion about freedom of speech so that you can continue to "ask questions" to promote your point of view which is obvious. Not gonna play that game with you.

frankly_fedup2

(2,852 posts)
16. I meant nothing
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jul 2015

Divisive in my post. I was just asking questions and wondered about opinions. I honestly did not feel I would be attacked for asking questions. We must not be allowed to ask questions regarding anything about racism without being attacked, called a racist and told I just want to cause trouble like a troll. These replies say a lot for a part of DU.

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
17. you are the only person that called you a racist dude... quit trying to stir up excrement.
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jul 2015

I read every post on here. no one called you a racist.

frankly_fedup2

(2,852 posts)
18. It has been strongly
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jul 2015

implied. This has turned into a complete joke. All you all have done is attack me for asking a question, which no one could accurately answer. Hope you have gotten all your aggression out on this post. Geez, now I know even here we are limited in what is PC and what is not. I joined this site in 2001 and have never been attacked like this. Maybe that was why I left years ago, however, I am back to speak my opinion and ask questions and nobody will stop me no matter how self-righteous they claim to be. It seems all you all want is drama. I hope that is not all DU is now, a bunch of drama.

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
19. so nobody has bothered to tell you the truth until now...
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:38 PM
Jul 2015

Strongly implied is a gift. Flat out accusations are way more difficult.

Just tell the truth next time.

Plus, I don't mind PC at all. In fact if you want to call me the PC avenger I will gladly make an outfit. It would be something leotardy and likely purple. With wings. I love wings. Oh! and also I would have a butt that lit up like a lightning bug. I am loving those this summer. How the hell do they do that? I guess I could google it.

hlthe2b

(106,359 posts)
4. As to your orignal question, given there is that small constitutional matter of separation of church
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 11:04 AM
Jul 2015

and state, the 10 commandments and other religious paraphernalia are not allowed to be displayed on government properties, Perhaps you have heard of similar "emblems" and "symbols" that fall under that category?

frankly_fedup2

(2,852 posts)
8. I'm talking about American History
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jul 2015

Not World history. Christianity has been around a lot longer then the USA.

hlthe2b

(106,359 posts)
20. It is clear you don't know the actual history of this specific flag or are ignoring it. Start here:
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Wed Jul 1, 2015, 02:51 PM - Edit history (2)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/24/us/confederate-flag-myths-facts/

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While it wasn't the Confederate states' official flag, the battle flag was flown by several Confederate Army units. The most notable among them was Gen. Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

And even Lee distanced himself from divisive symbols of a Civil War that his side lost.

"I think it wiser moreover not to keep open the sores of war," he wrote in a letter, declining an invitation by the Gettysburg Battlefield Memorial Association.

There were no flags flown at his funeral, Confederate or otherwise.

--snip--snip--
The rebel flag's resurgence came long after the Civil War

After the Civil War ended, the battle flag turned up here and there only occasionally -- at events to commemorate fallen soldiers.

So, when did the flag explode into prominence? It was during the struggle for civil rights for black Americans, in the middle of the 20th century.

The first burst may have been in 1948. South Carolina politician Strom Thurmond ran for president under the newly founded States Rights Democratic Party, also known as the Dixiecrats. The party's purpose was clear: "We stand for the segregation of the races," said Article 4 of its platform.


Why the Confederate flag still flies

At campaign stops, fans greeted Thurmond with American flags, state flags -- and Confederate battle flags.

But desegregation progressed.

As it passed milestones like the Supreme Court ruling on Brown vs. Board of Education, which gave black American children access to all schools, the Confederate battle flag popped up more and more.


It is not southern heritage being commemorated with flying this flag, it is RACIST heritage. Educate yourself ff2 because on DU we are ALL frankly fed up with those who would apologize/defend such symbols.

That said, I absolutely believe that museums, cycloramas, battlefield parks and other areas with historical and educational purpose should remain-- unquestionably. Even Atlanta's carving of Davis, Lee and Jackson on Stone Mountain Park (now privately owned) has some sense of educational purpose--though I'd surely not mind if they "toned down" just a bit. It is first and foremost a recreational area and a scenic park and that should certainly be celebrated, even while they should note the troubled history of its existence as well, including its ugly past as a KKK destination site.

frankly_fedup2

(2,852 posts)
9. No need for the
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jul 2015

URL. I have no desire to buy one and yes I see you can still purchase it. Obviously questioning anything about the confederate flag must make me racist. Please don't be narrow minded, which would make you racist!

NathanSharp

(16 posts)
21. Its a decision from private companies not law and removal from a capitol building doesn't mean a ban
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 11:56 PM
Aug 2015

I suppose they should remove statues of Lee if its on public property and if a sizable number of people take offense in it. After all, confederate symbolism is very divisive, in that they did split the country in half for a while. It celebrates an act of treason against the United States, and I can understand removing these symbols from public property. Some people act as if its history only relates to Dukes of Hazzard, but it is tied to the Civil war and an attempt to preserve a socioeconomic structure that revolved heavily around slavery.

NathanSharp

(16 posts)
22. Just because Hanes underwear isn't flown over congress doesn't mean there's a ban on underwear.
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 12:07 AM
Aug 2015

Just because a state building doesn't display an emblem doesn't mean theres a ban against it. Theres a million things they could fly on state property (but don't) that are perfectly legal to purchase and own. The confederate flag are now among these other items.

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