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zipplewrath

(16,692 posts) Tue Aug 4, 2015, 08:39 PM Aug 2015

It would seem ISIS presents us with an opportunity

The powers that be have had their hand at war here it all it has done is gotten worse for everyone.
It would seem that there would be some interest in allowing a more "pacifist" approach.

I'm not really talking about a bunch of people marching over a bridge and demanding fair elections from ISIS. I'm thinking more about "fighting" this battle through the State Department, with an assist from the Treasury, in cutting off the flow of money to ISIS. We could also involve the Justice department in putting people on trial who assist ISIS. We could also involve the UN and the World Court by putting various people on trial who support ISIS. We have to stop the flow of money and armaments into the whole region, and keep them out of the combatants hands.

Basically, it would be about waging some law enforcement instead of waging war. We couldn't do much worse that they warriors have accomplished over the last 5 years or so.

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It would seem ISIS presents us with an opportunity (Original Post) zipplewrath Aug 2015 OP

Problem with this opportunity is that it leads us to the people who own Citi and the City of London leveymg Aug 2015 #1

Sorta the point zipplewrath Aug 2015 #2

The point is that while we know exactly who and where ISIS' major funders are, they're untouchable leveymg Aug 2015 #3

Success rarely comes with the first opportunity zipplewrath Aug 2015 #4

Particularly, if you don't really want to succeed at rounding up the bankers leveymg Aug 2015 #5

If we don't change it will zipplewrath Aug 2015 #6

I agree that another US war in the ME will likely be our total undoing. leveymg Aug 2015 #7

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Oh boy... Agschmid Dec 2015 #9

leveymg

(36,418 posts)

1. Problem with this opportunity is that it leads us to the people who own Citi and the City of London

Reply to zipplewrath (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2015, 08:50 PM

Aug 2015

Too big to drone. They own us, or our biggest corporations and politicians. Google: al-Yamamah

zipplewrath

(16,692 posts)

2. Sorta the point

Reply to leveymg (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 07:55 AM

Aug 2015

Law enforcement is a key element of peace.

"No justice no peace" is the expression. We need law enforcement on an international scale. Of course the reality is that we'd need to be as willing to enforce these laws within our own boarders as we would in other countries.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)

3. The point is that while we know exactly who and where ISIS' major funders are, they're untouchable

Reply to zipplewrath (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 09:07 AM

Aug 2015

The reason for that is systematic corruption and undue petrodollar influence in the West. Certainly this presents an opportunity, but so did 9/11, and nothing was done about it, except to use the attacks on the US to further the agenda of the Saudis and GCC states who now fiance ISIS.

It's a sham.

zipplewrath

(16,692 posts)

4. Success rarely comes with the first opportunity

Reply to leveymg (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 11:10 AM

Aug 2015

9/11 wasn't the first and won't be the last opportunity. They'll keep coming along hopefully.

This one has the particularly attractive feature that the warriors have had their chance and failed.

The trick is to have an administration that is willing to pursue means other than war to address a wide variety of issues in and around these local civil wars, especially now that they are being driven by NGO's. And mind you, the petrodollar influence is currently on the decline, and it could potentially worsen before it gets better (if ever).