always have. It's what a union SHOULD be.

It's for all workers.

If you're a worker, then you're welcome.

It's all about the worker and the worker's rights

Pretty much saying it's for all workers regardless.

It's definitely hard to convey emotion over the internets.

I heard those wobbly debates they never achieved consensus as to the definition of the words used so it was agreed that none of the participants knew anything about what they were talking about as was stated in Finnish.

personally I would only have a welcome thread pinned - once folks start pinning things it's harder to see the new things posted and frankly there are a lot of socialist/communist groups out there.

My only intention was that this Union is available to everyone (of all socialist tendencies, or no tendency at all). I felt it would be beneficial to pin so that members, lurkers, or new members could avail themselves of the resources, and join if they wish to do so.

Again, I'll defer to the other hosts here, and if the determination is made that this is not warranted, please accept my apologies.

myself until it was brought up about people ignoring it when there are too many pinned. Although I DO like the idea of pinning the "Resource" post, along with a "Welcome" post.

Remember on pinned posts, they should be ones that are used over and over again. Maybe the Wobblies post should be in "Resources". You could also put some of the anarchist resources you've posted in individual threads in the Resource post too after the floating post has run it's course. Check with wolf if you want to add them to his initial post.

When I get a chance, I'll try to get it worked out. Stressed and overworked here.

here.

I liked seeing it up here, but eventually we'll want to add this valuable addition to the "Reading List" or "Resources" so if people want to lay a link on people of things to read, this will be included. But this lets people get a chance to check out something new too. I don't really have a "pin policy", I just know from other forums that when they stack up, people tend to mentally scroll past them.

I hope you get some rest soon! Good posts FA!

Hope everyone is enjoying their Holiday Season (as well as you).

I'm at a friend's house watching her dog while she's out of town. I love the peace and quiet!!

Goes off to snooooooooze.

that could include recommended reading & different groups everyone is affiliated with.

of agitation and education to do. It just makes sense to put them all in one place for easy access. And wolf's "Resource" post that already pinned is a good start. It would be like our DU socialist's library.

I DO think that FA's posts on the history and theories of anarchism (including this IWW post) should be included in the Resource post.

Two pins shouldn't overwhelm anyone.

caught my attention, as I did not think views like this were allowed expression at DU. Glad I'm wrong about that. I love the Wobblies.

Anybody see the movie "The Wobblies"? It is wonderful. Just average working Americans standing up to repression. Something I don't see a lot of these days.

Generally speaking self employed, union officers and bosses are excluded. But then this is left up to each Branch to decide in practice.

Welcome comrade!

Feel free to unpin when necessary. Thank you all!

Hope you all are enjoying your Holiday Season!



I'm relaxing finally.

I'm a SAHM now, so my times to relax are when my children are at school/activities. Holidays are always hectic. This year we are in Florida for Christmas, and it has been pretty quiet, so I've been able to get on my laptop a fair amount.

... for a clinical research organization. But, that's not what I want to do when I grow up. I'm actually going to school in February to get my CCNA certification. Then after that, I'm going to get my MCITP. That's the goal anyway.

I'm just a single bachelor. I'm actually watching a friend's dog at her house while she's out of town. So, it's total peace and quiet for me; just like I like it.

Edit to add: What is SAHM?

My masters is in human resource development ... I like to recruit and train but not crazy about other HR functions

Nm

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It might get lost in this thread. Unless you guys are Wobblies.

My grandad was a wobbly. And even tho he was a Mormon he said no church was going to tell him how to vote or dictate whether he could belong to a union.

http://www.iww.org/en/membership/3/1

http://www.iww.org/en/membership

I took a look how international the (in)famous wobblie gang is, and although it's functioning (currently) just in English-speaking countries, I found some very nice connections...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrialisti

Very talented. Nice voice.

A classic Joe Hill poem made into a more modern song:

I want a dues rebate from the IWW since: 1. none of them are nice enough to visit 2. After all encounters with them it was decided they are radical ET aliens who argue dogmatically too much for a political/worker organization as what I thought I joined instead of the debating club of wind bags they are 3. Since I am a nice enough earthling to not hold it against them that they are all spies agitators or something or another with no sense of humor, too much humor or simply long winded,

... when you become funny. Only if and when.

So said Bill Haywood, and I concur.

"The IWW advocates violence of the most violent sort. Violence that consists of keepin our mouths shut, and our hands in our
pockets. In doin' this and stayin' on strike we are committin the most violent of acts. Cuttin' off our labor. Let them weave cloth with
bayonets."

Until we, labor, own the means of producing wealth we will always be second class citizens. The only way that stops is when we can stand together, quit operating it for our opponents, buy the assets or develop our own and run it for ourselves.

Because if you aren't seated at the table, you are on the menu.

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What about democratically run co-operative business? Are they all seen as workers? Those are worker-owners, yet they have interests that are the same as workers everywhere. They are the embodiment of what Bill Haywood knew this movement and power could achieve, and where he parted with what I see as the traditional "government ownership" meme associated with "socialism". So just wondering...

Is there anything like an auxiliary of unemployed, craft-less people as an arm of the IWW?, Maybe subsidized, no dues, or $1 a year, get them in the fold so to speak, offer them education they can't get anywhere else?

We live in a different time. When Haywood was organizing people were were shot, hung, jailed, imprisoned for not helping the wealthy take their money, in a time before organizing got some legal protection, and before Gompers and his crew sided with the wealthy. Now people are sent food stamps, income tax subsidies, unemployment, many of those put in place to keep them from seeking to join with others or march in the streets, or because they did. Now that motivation that would have driven them to seek out the IWW is gone, so there is really no reason that _they_ see, (which is the most important thing for motivation). They will never hear any of this stuff in school beyond a few meaningless dates, largely no critical discussion, and even less chance if they go to most colleges.

Is there an effort to bring these ideas to that crowd?

Since all workers are owners over there

the workers are the owners in a real cooperative.

And given the future for 100 million or more Americans, they might want to avail themselves of the advantages of such associations, I'm thinkin', because it's becoming increasingly clear that they are becoming just the food supply for finance, and nothing more. A cooperative, and a union of cooperatives, might offer them some chance at not having to live on the plantation.

"Around the turn of the century, the Wobblies and other anarchists played the central role in winning workers the 5-day week and 8-hour day." Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology by David Graeber

So the next time you're off on the weekend or don't need to work 10-12 hour days, thank a Wobbly. Ⓐ

BRING BACK THE WOBBLIES!

international workers' solidarity. And would like to learn more.

I think everyone celebrating the same Labor Day would be a step in the direction of uniting workers worldwide more.

I recently learned that workers in a number of nations outside the US celebrate on May 1 (knew that) because of an event that happened in the US (did not know that). The event is in wiki as the Haymarket Affair but is also referred to as the Haymarket massacre (of strikers), which happened early in May.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

Supposedly, President Cleveland did not want US workers associating their day off with the Haymarket Massacre. So, we observe it in September (and associate it with backyar hammocks and grilling).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day

http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/labor-day

Shouldn't Labor Day be associated with some event that actually reminds and teaches us something connected to the labor movement? And, if we want some kind of international affiliation, why not with nations who observe it on May 1 in honor of the martyrs of our very own US labor movement?

Also, who teaches the history of labor and labor movements to the general public, especially workers who are not going to go to college? How about unions joining together for the purpose of acquiring a cable network, on which they can do that, as well as informing workers about the unions that own the network and aabot what is going on in labor around the nation and the world?

Thank you for sharing. I will be sharing with a family member of mine.

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night
Alive as you or me
Says I, But Joe, you're ten years dead
I never died, says he
I never died, says he

In Salt Lake, Joe, says I to him
Him standing by my bed
They framed you on a murder charge
Says Joe, But I ain't dead
Says Joe, But I ain't dead

The copper bosses killed you, Joe
They shot you, Joe, says I
Takes more than guns to kill a man
Says Joe, I didn't die
Says Joe, I didn't die

And standing there as big as life
And smiling with his eyes
Joe says, What they forgot to kill
Went on to organize
Went on to organize

Joe Hill ain't dead, he says to me
Joe Hill ain't never died
Where working men are out on strike
Joe Hill is at their side
Joe Hill is at their side

From San Diego up to Maine
In every mine and mill
Where workers strike and organize
Says he, You'll find Joe Hill
Says he, You'll find Joe Hill

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night
Alive as you or me
Says I, But Joe, you're ten years dead
I never died, says he
I never died, says he

Hello, and solidarity to all the fellow workers here.