afterwards to sell more as the demand plummeted? When they were forced by US to label Made in Japan or Made in Occupied Japan, I heard some went through other countries to maintain their value.

As I was researching an antique charger at the Peabody Essex Museum Library in Salem Ma, I found this pattern illustrated as a front piece in a research book I was reviewing. I know it dates very late 1800's to early 1900's. Since there are so many pieces in this dinner service, I have not gone to look at each piece to see the marks. The set is in mint condition with every piece marked with one or the other marks as I indicated.

I am going to visit a consignment shop next week to see if they can sell it. I thank those who suggested reference books but none of them are of a help. The marks are not signatures, they are printed marks or they cover marks later than relevant to this situation.

I have a list from an on-line seller, they had a long list of this pattern at ridiculous prices. I printed the list sometime in the 1980's. They sold out right away. The last time I checked , they had only one luncheon plate for sale. I won't contact them because I called several years ago and they offered me $3.00 for an item they had offered for $79.95 and I would have to pay shipping. I would never deal with them. Since they sold out right away, I bet they have a wait list for more of this pattern,

Wish me luck. Consignment is tricky, I have an appointment next week for them to review the pattern, the paperwork and pictures I have and check their terms.
Thank you for your input and that of others.

you can order it on Amazon for $12.95


Miller's Antique Marks Paperback – Illustrated, November 5, 2013

Susan Andacht has been a member, and there are other very knowledgeable experts and collectors in the group. I'm a member of that group, also a group called Talking Antiques, and another called Select Your Antiques. There are a lot of experienced dealers in the groups and I've gotten a lot of help from them. One other group I joined is What is This? Antique, vintage and unusual item. Identification. Since I'm naming the groups I'm in, one other is a fb group called Identify and Value My Paintings, and they too are helpful.

Hope you find what you are looking for. I had a set of Pearl Pottery flow blue, and it took me years to find the date of the mark.

Possibly you'll have to research the company history to find what you're looking for. I have several pieces of Takito and their marks change over time, as did Noritake.

Maybe it'll help you nail down the early dates

https://library.si.edu/digital-library/book/japanesemarkssea00bowe?fbclid=IwAR0Xddax9udggDwwXdIcr3nNUDfLioRByVYK69X4DyOrDvzp-_4wBjPItfk