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Laffy Kat

(16,522 posts)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:53 AM Oct 2017

Weinstein protected by Lorne Michaels.

Just read on Decider that Lorne Michaels cut all jokes about Weinstein on last week's SNL. When asked why, he said, "It's a New York thing." This is what I mean by Weinstein having power over ALL media. These men look out for each other. On another coast Quentin Tarantino was asked about Weinstein (a close friend) and he said, "You have to take the good with the bad." It is going to take so much longer for change. Hopefully this is a beginning.

https://decider.com/2017/10/09/saturday-night-live-harvey-weinstein-lorne-michaels/

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Weinstein protected by Lorne Michaels. (Original Post) Laffy Kat Oct 2017 OP
"You have to take the good with the bad"? whathehell Oct 2017 #1
I know. QT is no angel either. Laffy Kat Oct 2017 #3
I'd believe it. whathehell Oct 2017 #5
You know, I didn't like them for a long time. Laffy Kat Oct 2017 #7
Translation: I have to take the good with you taking the bad. spooky3 Oct 2017 #6
Exactly! whathehell Oct 2017 #8
That does not sound good.. whathehell Oct 2017 #2
He's going to have to do some s'plaining. Laffy Kat Oct 2017 #4
Yes, I would think so.. whathehell Oct 2017 #9
What really bothers me is the current breakdown of the social contract GetRidOfThem Oct 2017 #10
At least it's coming to the surface. Laffy Kat Oct 2017 #11
White male privilege on the left HopeAgain Oct 2017 #12
Hypocrisy is an equal-opportunity sin PJMcK Oct 2017 #14
In these cases, the privilege seems more "male" than "white" whathehell Oct 2017 #15
Michael's quote is out of context PJMcK Oct 2017 #13
Not sure about that...Seems like a hasty attempt at "clean up" on his part whathehell Oct 2017 #16
Well Then..... ThoughtProvoker Nov 2017 #17

whathehell

(29,783 posts)
1. "You have to take the good with the bad"?
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:00 AM
Oct 2017

Actually, you don't, and since Quentin's a man, it's unlikely HE ever had to take Weinstein's kind of "bad".

whathehell

(29,783 posts)
5. I'd believe it.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:41 AM
Oct 2017

Hollywood men --producers, directors, etc -- have always had a sleazy reputation.

As for Tarantino, I've always disliked his films, so it doesn't bother me bit.

Laffy Kat

(16,522 posts)
7. You know, I didn't like them for a long time.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:47 AM
Oct 2017

And then I watched some interviews on YouTube with a very young QT and I suddenly felt like I "got" where he was coming from. Can't exactly explain it, but I watched them again with a different perspective and started to like them. I actually looked forward to "Hateful 8". But believe me, I understand not liking them.

Laffy Kat

(16,522 posts)
4. He's going to have to do some s'plaining.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:40 AM
Oct 2017

Have a feeling the women on the show and many of the writers don't appreciate his actions/comments. Wonder what next Saturday is going to look like?

GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
10. What really bothers me is the current breakdown of the social contract
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 04:57 AM
Oct 2017

We are, or at least were, at the point wheresuch behavior is so unacceptable that it was criminalized. Now it all falls under "locker room bantor". It is a complete, and unacceptable, breakdown of social norms we have come to adapt over many years of sweat and progress.

Laffy Kat

(16,522 posts)
11. At least it's coming to the surface.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 05:18 AM
Oct 2017

Women and progressive men are beginning to call these apes out. And most importantly, women are uniting and using our own power of numbers to insist on accountability. It's always been there under a "boys will be boys" guise.

PJMcK

(22,883 posts)
14. Hypocrisy is an equal-opportunity sin
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 07:31 AM
Oct 2017

I respectfully disagree that one is worse than the other. Republican hypocrisy is just as bad as that behavior by Democrats.

whathehell

(29,783 posts)
15. In these cases, the privilege seems more "male" than "white"
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 05:34 AM
Oct 2017

The cases of Mike Tyson, Bill Cosby, and the sex abuse allegations against a number of wealthy athletes of color seems to suggest that.




PJMcK

(22,883 posts)
13. Michael's quote is out of context
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 07:29 AM
Oct 2017

Harvey Weinstein is a pig and it's all good that he's being skewered and investigated and fired.

But Lorne Michael's comment that "It's a New York thing" is being used out of context. This paragraph from the linked article explains:

The NYT story, however, puts Michaels’ comments in a different light. Apparently we’re all interpreting the word “it” wrong. “It’s a New York thing” doesn’t mean that SNL is respecting Weinstein because he’s from New York, it means that the whole story is too insular and coastal and wouldn’t play in the rest of the country with people who have never heard of Harvey Weinstein.


Weinstein is not particularly well-known outside of the entertainment business. The average person doesn't know who he is. Here's an example: Do you know who Scott Rudin is? (He's an incredibly successful movie and theater producer.) If I made a joke about Mr. Rudin, it would likely not make sense if you don't know who he is.

The SNL jokes fell flat during the rehearsal probably because of two reasons. One, the story had only just broken and hadn't built up enough public knowledge to be understandable. Two, after all of the sexual predation stories in the past several years, what new jokes could there be? After Cosby, O'Reilly, Weiner, Trump and all the others, that particular well of humor must be pretty dry.

A third reason SNL cut the jokes could be simply that they weren't funny. After all, much of SNL isn't that clever or funny.

There are serious issues in this story and Weinstein is going to be under a legal microscope for years to come. He's probably finished in the film business. Saturday Night Live's choice of targets for its humor seems relatively unimportant when compared to the larger issues facing our society.

whathehell

(29,783 posts)
16. Not sure about that...Seems like a hasty attempt at "clean up" on his part
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 05:48 AM
Oct 2017

Since the story is clearly national, and not limited to "local" New York interest, this explanation seems especially lame.

ThoughtProvoker

(32 posts)
17. Well Then.....
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 07:25 AM
Nov 2017

Mr. Michaels must go, too.

Enablers aren't quite as guilty as those they enable, but they're not far behind.

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