Classic Films
Related: About this forumI love old movies, BUT ...
I love old movies, BUT one thing that always bothers me about them ... well, not the only thing, but the one I'm talking about now ... is that whenever people sit down to talk about something, they ALWAYS do two things: 1) light up a cigarette, and 2) mix up a drink. TCM shows a lot of those old movies. Last night I watched "Mildred Pierce" (1945, four years before I was born) and every single adult character in that movie smokes like a chimney and drinks like a fish. They CAN'T have a conversation without a scotch on the rocks and a cigarette. This seems to be the case with almost every movie made in the 1930s and 1940s and 1950s.
Am I the only person who's bothered by this?
In case you're wondering, I used to be a nicotinic but quit in 1990, and I've never been a drinker at all. So I guess I wouldn't fit in as a character in any of those movies. I wouldn't be smoking and I would be drinking tea or Dr. Pepper, or nothing at all.
-- Ron
Diamond_Dog
(35,672 posts)I guess that was how people were back then. It seems so strange now.
As a woman, I always notice the way many women in old movies are objectified.
Tetrachloride
(8,546 posts)My cigarette is the way to express my true self.
patricia92243
(12,898 posts)use network tv has found a way to peddle their poison.
Lettuce Be
(2,339 posts)What I don't like is how often a man will strike a woman, and afterward, it's always a love scene.
IjustDontlikeRepugs
(726 posts)Irish_Dem
(62,541 posts)As a young woman I was in the hospital for surgery.
I was quite sick afterwards with nausea. In a big open ward,
people in other beds were smoking and smoke was everywhere.
When I complained that the smoke was making me more ill,
the patients around me arrogantly stated they were paying for their
beds and would smoke all they wanted.
I told one of the nurses that one day smoking would not be
permitted in hospital patient rooms and she just laughed and said
she didn't think that would ever happen. It was a free country, etc.
LakeArenal
(29,932 posts)If you looked closely, Andy of Mayberry and Ward Cleaver smoked.
I think Ben Gazzara worked in a hospital and they smoked.
Pretty sure Rod Serling smoked.
I love the scene in Now Voyage where Betty Davis cigarette smoke entwines with Franchot Tones. For the times that was bittersweet and erotic symbolism.
yorkster
(2,645 posts)LakeArenal
(29,932 posts)BigmanPigman
(52,530 posts)and they ALL smoked constantly. Most older movies and TV shows have constant smoking, even in hospitals, etc. That is why we notice it so much now. We can look back and see when smoking cigs started to be viewed as a bad thing.
What I found ironic while watching Dog Day Afternoon was Cazale's lecturing one of the hostages about suddenly taking up smoking from the stress of being a hostage. He said she "shouldn't do that to your body and she was weak". Two years later he died of lung cancer at 42. Nehad been a heavy smoker his whole life.
I recall an old Rosanne episode (when the show first started and was entertaining) when she tried to quit smoking and she listed all the old TV shows from the 50s and 60s who influenced her while growing up ..... Ward Cleaver, Get Smart (even the robot), "both Darins" from Bewitched, Genie, Rob and Laura and Millie and Jerry on Dick Van Dyke, etc.
John1956PA
(3,560 posts)Jeebo
(2,365 posts)Did they smoke and drink after the popcorn?
-- Ron
Auggie
(32,007 posts)Jeebo
(2,365 posts)An extraterrestrial visitor seeing those old movies would think that EVERYBODY on this planet smokes cigarettes and drinks hard liquor. There is in that assumption some kind of bigotry or prejudice against non-smokers and non-drinkers, in that refusal to acknowledge that we even exist.
-- Ron
LoisB
(9,279 posts)Lulu KC
(6,001 posts)it really makes me have a little fantasy about having a cigarette. I can dismiss it quickly, but it does look like fun!
Back when I did smoke I remember sometimes feeling like I was Ingrid Bergman when I lit a cigarette. What a tough addiction that one was to quit!
ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)Drink at work in the guise of business? Yup.
That's just how it was.