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left-of-center2012

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Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:43 PM Aug 2021

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So many other.countries.they.could have.visited Demovictory9 Aug 2021 #1
Not when their extended families live in Afghanistan. This wasn't a country they randomly picked chia Aug 2021 #7
ok Demovictory9 Aug 2021 #17
They are not random students Effete Snob Aug 2021 #23
I didn't see any mention of extended families. It sounds like it was a study abroad or service Dream Girl Aug 2021 #21
No. Cajon Valley is an elementary school district. These are 6 families, including 23 children. chia Aug 2021 #24
No, this is not that Effete Snob Aug 2021 #27
Yep, not smart. If never occured to them it was a war zone? brush Aug 2021 #16
I guess that's why they were on military visas Effete Snob Aug 2021 #29
I hear next year they are planning to go to Yemen. Sorry but I have very little sympathy for them JohnSJ Aug 2021 #2
North Korea seems like a nice summer getaway... agingdem Aug 2021 #5
I don't know what is going on JohnSJ Aug 2021 #9
Afghanistan???..who they hell planned this summer trip abroad... agingdem Aug 2021 #13
Please read this Effete Snob Aug 2021 #33
this evacuation has been in the pipeline for many months... agingdem Aug 2021 #43
+1 They may have family there, but now was not the time to jrthin Aug 2021 #12
I'm reminded of a story from a few years ago ... left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #3
I think they spent a year or two in a prison Mr.Bill Aug 2021 #10
Maybe these students Deuxcents Aug 2021 #4
Was it s buy-bull missionaries group to convert Islamic followers to Jaysus and Christianity ? magicarpet Aug 2021 #6
Because????? SallyHemmings Aug 2021 #8
S-T-U-U-U-U-U-U-P-I-D-!-!-! keithbvadu2 Aug 2021 #11
These are six families, with 23 children among them, that traveled to see extended family and chia Aug 2021 #14
Compassion? Facts? Effete Snob Aug 2021 #15
Right? And thank you. chia Aug 2021 #19
Six families, 23 kids, go to a war zone for summer vacation left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #26
Do you have any knowledge of El Cajon, or the large immigrant and refugee community here? chia Aug 2021 #30
Yes left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #35
20 years when? Because the El Cajon of the past isn't the El Cajon of the present. chia Aug 2021 #36
No left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #39
They're refugee families settled here, and you're calling them dumb? chia Aug 2021 #42
They got out once left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #44
Wow. I'd expect an attitude like that from a RWNJ site, but here? Surprising. chia Aug 2021 #45
That was just a dumb move on their part left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #48
They are families of people supporting the US military Effete Snob Aug 2021 #31
+1000 chia Aug 2021 #40
It was a dumb trip to make left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #41
wth? weren't we telling americans to get out of there a couple months ago? nt orleans Aug 2021 #18
who approved their visas? agingdem Aug 2021 #20
The US military Effete Snob Aug 2021 #32
They were scheduled to return on 17th and decided to extend their stay? blm Aug 2021 #22
No. They planned to be back before school resumed on August 17. chia Aug 2021 #25
Same thing, though. Why delay when US govt is telling you blm Aug 2021 #28
They weren't able to get on their scheduled flights, something the OP has misrepresented from the chia Aug 2021 #34
Oh. blm Aug 2021 #37
So now because they went on a summer vacation to a war zone left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #38
So apparently they were refugees who got out of there? left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #46
So apparently they were refugees who got out of there? left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #47

Demovictory9

(33,786 posts)
1. So many other.countries.they.could have.visited
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:45 PM
Aug 2021

chia

(2,379 posts)
7. Not when their extended families live in Afghanistan. This wasn't a country they randomly picked
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:52 PM
Aug 2021

for a vacation. We have a very large Middle Eastern community here in San Diego County, particularly East County, where the Cajon Valley school district is located.

Demovictory9

(33,786 posts)
17. ok
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:04 PM
Aug 2021
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
23. They are not random students
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:13 PM
Aug 2021

This poorly reproduces story fails to note in the thread OP that the students in question are Afghani immigrants to the US who were visiting family who work with the US military.

There appears to be an agenda-driven interest in portraying this as some sort of lark - as if it were random students on a pleasure trip. This is not that.
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
21. I didn't see any mention of extended families. It sounds like it was a study abroad or service
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:11 PM
Aug 2021

Learning trip. These types of trips are popular among high school students looking for something “meaty” to put on their college application. My son did one of these in Ecuador. His friend did a service learning trip to Kenya.

chia

(2,379 posts)
24. No. Cajon Valley is an elementary school district. These are 6 families, including 23 children.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:14 PM
Aug 2021

Other sources mention they were traveling to see extended family.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
27. No, this is not that
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:19 PM
Aug 2021

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5594882001

“ The families had traveled separately to Afghanistan for summer vacations to see their grandparents, cousins and other relatives. Most of the families came to the United States on a special immigrant visa after having worked for the U.S. government or U.S. military in Afghanistan, officials said. The visa allows in only the person and their spouse and children.”



brush

(57,649 posts)
16. Yep, not smart. If never occured to them it was a war zone?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:03 PM
Aug 2021
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
29. I guess that's why they were on military visas
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:19 PM
Aug 2021

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5594882001

“ The families had traveled separately to Afghanistan for summer vacations to see their grandparents, cousins and other relatives. Most of the families came to the United States on a special immigrant visa after having worked for the U.S. government or U.S. military in Afghanistan, officials said. The visa allows in only the person and their spouse and children.”

JohnSJ

(96,601 posts)
2. I hear next year they are planning to go to Yemen. Sorry but I have very little sympathy for them
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:45 PM
Aug 2021

agingdem

(8,541 posts)
5. North Korea seems like a nice summer getaway...
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:50 PM
Aug 2021

and how about Syria...always a destination...

JohnSJ

(96,601 posts)
9. I don't know what is going on
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:52 PM
Aug 2021

agingdem

(8,541 posts)
13. Afghanistan???..who they hell planned this summer trip abroad...
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:00 PM
Aug 2021

and what parent would allow their child to travel to an occupied war zone...I know 20 years in Afghanistan is more or less a forgotten war but did mom and dad get the least bit suspicious when a Kevlar vest was on the list of need to bring items???

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
33. Please read this
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:23 PM
Aug 2021

..and then consider what you just wrote.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5594882001

“ The families had traveled separately to Afghanistan for summer vacations to see their grandparents, cousins and other relatives. Most of the families came to the United States on a special immigrant visa after having worked for the U.S. government or U.S. military in Afghanistan, officials said. The visa allows in only the person and their spouse and children.”

agingdem

(8,541 posts)
43. this evacuation has been in the pipeline for many months...
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:36 PM
Aug 2021

the chaos involved...I understand wanting to see family but not when this draw down of troops and the rapid encroachment of the Taliban was obvious and in real time...

jrthin

(4,964 posts)
12. +1 They may have family there, but now was not the time to
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:56 PM
Aug 2021

schedule a vacation.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
3. I'm reminded of a story from a few years ago ...
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:48 PM
Aug 2021

Some folks decided to backpack along the Iraq - Iran border.
Hey, why not ? Sounds like a fun trip. What could go wrong ?

They were captured by Iranian troops.

I don't recall how it ended.

Mr.Bill

(24,804 posts)
10. I think they spent a year or two in a prison
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:53 PM
Aug 2021

until the were let go as some kind of diplomatic bargaining chip.

Deuxcents

(19,794 posts)
4. Maybe these students
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:50 PM
Aug 2021

And their parents will get an up close visit to Afghanistan. Who is responsible for this trip?

magicarpet

(16,568 posts)
6. Was it s buy-bull missionaries group to convert Islamic followers to Jaysus and Christianity ?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:51 PM
Aug 2021

If so,... their heads may have been chopped.

SallyHemmings

(1,883 posts)
8. Because?????
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:52 PM
Aug 2021

keithbvadu2

(40,177 posts)
11. S-T-U-U-U-U-U-U-P-I-D-!-!-!
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 05:53 PM
Aug 2021

chia

(2,379 posts)
14. These are six families, with 23 children among them, that traveled to see extended family and
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:01 PM
Aug 2021

planned to be back before school started here on Aug. 17.

Maybe have a little compassion for them, anyone?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
15. Compassion? Facts?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:03 PM
Aug 2021

The internet outrage beast has no need to understand facts.

The cartoon version of this story is so much better than the more complicated truth.

chia

(2,379 posts)
19. Right? And thank you.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:06 PM
Aug 2021

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
26. Six families, 23 kids, go to a war zone for summer vacation
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:16 PM
Aug 2021
It was a dumb thing to do, and now look at their situation.

chia

(2,379 posts)
30. Do you have any knowledge of El Cajon, or the large immigrant and refugee community here?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:20 PM
Aug 2021

I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
35. Yes
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:29 PM
Aug 2021

I lived in San Diego for 20 years.
Been to El Cajon a zillion times.

chia

(2,379 posts)
36. 20 years when? Because the El Cajon of the past isn't the El Cajon of the present.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:30 PM
Aug 2021

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
39. No
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:33 PM
Aug 2021

Apparently now the people are dumber?

chia

(2,379 posts)
42. They're refugee families settled here, and you're calling them dumb?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:35 PM
Aug 2021

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
44. They got out once
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:36 PM
Aug 2021

And they went back on vacation?

Yeah, that's dumb.

chia

(2,379 posts)
45. Wow. I'd expect an attitude like that from a RWNJ site, but here? Surprising.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:39 PM
Aug 2021

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
48. That was just a dumb move on their part
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:46 PM
Aug 2021

They got out of there once as refugees.

Then decided, what the heck,
let's go back on vacation.

Now we have to get them out of there a second time.

Vacationing in Afghanistan at this time was a dumb thing to do.
It's been a war zone for years and our troops are leaving.

But what the heck, let's go back on vacation?
And let's take the kids.


 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
31. They are families of people supporting the US military
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:20 PM
Aug 2021


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5594882001

“ The families had traveled separately to Afghanistan for summer vacations to see their grandparents, cousins and other relatives. Most of the families came to the United States on a special immigrant visa after having worked for the U.S. government or U.S. military in Afghanistan, officials said. The visa allows in only the person and their spouse and children.”

chia

(2,379 posts)
40. +1000
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:34 PM
Aug 2021

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
41. It was a dumb trip to make
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:34 PM
Aug 2021

And now look at their situation.

orleans

(35,015 posts)
18. wth? weren't we telling americans to get out of there a couple months ago? nt
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:04 PM
Aug 2021

agingdem

(8,541 posts)
20. who approved their visas?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:06 PM
Aug 2021
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
32. The US military
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:21 PM
Aug 2021

Because that’s who they work for.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5594882001

“ The families had traveled separately to Afghanistan for summer vacations to see their grandparents, cousins and other relatives. Most of the families came to the United States on a special immigrant visa after having worked for the U.S. government or U.S. military in Afghanistan, officials said. The visa allows in only the person and their spouse and children.”

blm

(113,826 posts)
22. They were scheduled to return on 17th and decided to extend their stay?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:11 PM
Aug 2021

That seems an incredibly odd decision to make on Aug16, under the circumstances.

chia

(2,379 posts)
25. No. They planned to be back before school resumed on August 17.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:15 PM
Aug 2021

blm

(113,826 posts)
28. Same thing, though. Why delay when US govt is telling you
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:19 PM
Aug 2021

to leave? Just trying to figure out the thinking that led to such an odd choice.

chia

(2,379 posts)
34. They weren't able to get on their scheduled flights, something the OP has misrepresented from the
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:28 PM
Aug 2021

original articles at the LAT and The Hill.

blm

(113,826 posts)
37. Oh.
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:30 PM
Aug 2021

Thanks.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
38. So now because they went on a summer vacation to a war zone
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:32 PM
Aug 2021

Our troops and resources have to fix their stupidity?

Oh, and have compassion while doing it.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
46. So apparently they were refugees who got out of there?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:39 PM
Aug 2021

Who decided to go back home and visit?

And now we have to get them out a second time,
and have compassion while doing it?

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
47. So apparently they were refugees who got out of there?
Wed Aug 25, 2021, 06:39 PM
Aug 2021

Who decided to go back home and visit?

And now we have to get them out a second time,
and have compassion while doing it?

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