California
Related: About this forumCalifornia's plastic bag ban is failing. Here's why
https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2023-08-24/whats-the-deal-with-single-use-plastic-bag-bansL.A. Times (I did not run into a paywall) Archived if you do: https://archive.is/IHgtT
BY JESSICA ROYASSISTANT EDITOR, UTILITY JOURNALISM
AUG. 24, 2023 3 AM PT. (get some sleep, Jessica!)
Long. Here is some of the article.
Most likely, you use a single-use plastic bag for as long as it takes to get your groceries home. A few minutes. Maybe a few days, if it gets to be a garbage bag. It will spend the rest of its life in a landfill assuming the landfill can contain it fragmenting into smaller and smaller pieces of plastic over hundreds of years. Though plastic bags represent a fraction of plastics produced, they are a unique source of blight, according to Mark Murray, the executive director of environmental group Californians Against Waste. They blow into tree branches, clog sewer drains, wrinkle jellyfish-like in our oceans and tumble across our roads. Because theyre so light, they defy proper waste management, floating off trash cans and sanitation trucks like theyre being raptured by a garbage god.
The law took a big hit in 2020. The plastics industry seized the moment when COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns went into effect. Reusable bags of any kind brought from home were virus-laden; they were petri dishes for bacteria and carriers of harmful pathogens, industry groups were quoted as saying by the New York Times. Bringing them into stores puts consumers and workers at risk, the Plastics Industry Assn. wrote in a letter to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. (translation: another lie)
California Gov. Gavin Newsom suspended the states ban on grocery stores providing single-use plastic bags for 60 days amid COVID-19 concerns: The Times reported there were concerns that clerks may be at risk for exposure to the coronavirus if shoppers are required to supply their own reusable bags to carry their purchases home. It is now known that COVID spreads primarily via air. COVID transmission was never linked to reusable bags.
Eventually, the bag charges came back. But reusable bags the ones you did bring from home didnt. Today, most shoppers who get bags for their groceries get all-new HDPE bags every time. (Oh, and have you noticed that most of these dont forget your reusable bags signs have disappeared from grocery stores?)
skip to the end: The author recommends:
Realistically, the most efficient way to dispose of them is to use them as garbage can liners, pet poop bags, wet swimsuit holders, travel laundry hampers, and other household uses until they cant be used any more. Then put them in your trash. Next time you go to the store, try not to forget to bring your reusables.
Mr.Bill
(24,791 posts)in that the have never used plastic bags. Always used paper only. By law, they have to charge me ten cents for each bag. But here is something else they do. If I bring my own bag, they pay me five cents for each one. It's not big money, but the third time I use the bag, I'm breaking even.
Also, when most stores would not let you bring your own bag because they were worried about spreading the virus, they let you bring your own but you had to do the bagging yourself, which I usually do anyway.
They also enforced mask rules better than most stores. If you refused to wear a mask, they offered to go get your groceries for you and bring them to the door where you could pay.
MichMan
(13,200 posts)I just collect them at home and bring them in every month or so and recycle them
progressoid
(50,747 posts)MichMan
(13,200 posts)Even though the linked video stated some of them get recycled.? I have to say it would be a lot easier that way.
Sorry I did a post and run. It was late and I was tired.
I also take them to those boxes when I get too many. It's frustrating when we're trying to do the right thing only to find out so much of it is a sham.
TexasTowelie
(116,809 posts)One cloth bag is for the six-pack of beer at the liquor store. I also have a thermally insulated bag and a large durable-fabric bag both with strong handles in case I need to hang them from the back of my wheelchair. I've found this more efficient than carrying 7 or 8 plastic bags that were subject to breaking. I will still ask the grocery clerk to put items in plastic containers that might break such as pico de gallo, guacamole, parfaits into plastic bags before putting them in my other bags so that I can avoid cleanup if an accident occurs.
Now if I could find someone at the grocery store that actually knows how to sack groceries--frozen and cold items in the insulated bag, isolating the breakable products from other groceries, keeping chemical products away from food products, and grouping like products (bathroom/office products/pantry/refrigerator/produce). I'm dreaming...
BlueIn_W_Pa
(842 posts)TexasTowelie
(116,809 posts)Lugging around groceries while riding on a bus is one of them. I also had to use a fanny pack to carry around the phone, wallet, keys, face mask, sunglasses and change because all of my belongings would drop out of my wheelchair as we stand up to grab items from the top shelves.
Deuxcents
(19,738 posts)As you say, they dont know how to bag groceries. I got tired of squished bread, bananas on the bottom all bruised and eggs or chicken not separated even tho I use a produce bag to put them in my cart. I hate that Im not using a paid employee and dont want to contribute to the loss of jobs but how hard is it to bag groceries?!
TexasTowelie
(116,809 posts)Items that are out are large volumes of liquid like laundry detergent, more than a 15 pack of beverages or bottled water. Cat litter and ice are also off of the list, I'll occasionally get a half-gallon of milk or a pint of ice cream if I remember to carry along the frozen ice packs to the store, which I put into a plastic bag and then in the insulated bag.
My grocery sackers also understand that the heavy items belong at the bottom of the bag to provide a strong base for the items that sit on top. They obviously would suck at Jenga.
usonian
(13,853 posts)Too good, because I often unpack the bags to put stuff in a big old cooler for the long-ish drive home.
Mopar151
(10,178 posts)Plenty of reusables seen at Market Basket in Claremont. They do a brisk business with thrifty Vermonters who stock up at NH prices! As a rookie bagger told me: "I learned something today! When people pay a lot of money for their groceries, they're very f'n particular about how they're packed!"
Retrograde
(10,654 posts)you can get new bags every time, but there's a charge. Most people bring reusable ones.
C Moon
(12,560 posts)There are a LOT less. Plastic bags used to be floating around, sitting in gutters, smashed against walls.
hlthe2b
(106,365 posts)what I can tell. Grocery stores do NOT give the option of a disposable bag. If you didn't bring your own, you can purchase paper (5 or 10 cents)or a reusable bag for several dollars.
You always have the option of stuffing purchases unbagged in the cart and taking them back to your car where you may have a box or bag.
Not sure why California would allow retailers to sell disposable plastic bags. Even with COVID, paper was an option.
usonian
(13,853 posts)No low density bags are offered in grocery stores.