Florida
Related: About this forumWhat the Florida Democrats are doing wrong.
I know there are progressives in Florida who are as frustrated as I am. Because we can't find new blood that can bridge all the differences in Florida, we keep defaulting to the past. Well, I can't address how to capture all the different kind of voters, but I do have this to add, regarding the loss of the South Florida vote:
I once took a class titled, People of the Carribean and latin American culture. (Or something along those lines.) What the Anglo-oriented, old boy Florida Dems needed to do, and failed to do, was to reach out to academics like the teacher who taught that class, and ask them a simple question: Do you believe that the socialism that occurred in Latin America, can happen here? They will tell you no because the socio-political factors are different. And they will tell you no because the main reason that socialism got out of hand in Latin America was because there was a 10-90 split in resources. Ten percent of the people (Really, more like 1%) had all the wealth and resources, and everyone else was dirt poor. No middle class, like we have here. Just dirt poor.
So, when a military-minded socialist would show up it was easy to capture the support of the people because they were destitute and desperate. I mean, third world desperate. Not what we have in America. Toppling over the wealthy families, who were in the minority, was not difficult. It didn't take much. And, yes, the countries were disrupted quickly; and yes, those that made it through have a nasty story to tell.
That is not likely to happen here in America. We have a middle class. Though I don't know for how long because Republican policies are taking us closer to a 1% - 99% split. And because we have first world views on what constitutes poverty. Because of that, we might get toppled over in a similar, but not the same manner. And De Santis is representing that take over.
The old guard Florida Dems need help and as a voter, I am giving permission to anyone outside this State with ideas to come in and tell them that their time is over and they need to start listening. They can start by getting more latino and latina representation in their party.
There are still pitfalls to worry about, even with their help. Latin Americans who enjoyed that top 10% wealth in their countries know the benefit of living in a country where everyone is hungry and poor. They get cheap labor, which allows them to hold onto more of their money and status. THOSE people will tend to be Republicans.
I always find it galling that Anglo, conservative Americans don't fully understand the world they're pushing us towards. By interfering with education and creating financial hardship on people, they are driving us closer to the very situation that everyone wants to avoid. They really don't see the world they're creating by keeping the hourly wage low, for example. They see themselves always in that top 10%, and if they find themselves struggling, it is always someone else's fault. Never do they look inward to see how they're adding to the equation.
LLCARD
(23 posts)Its hard to capture all the different groups under the same movement. Sure Dems are more honorable, stand up for the people, believe in democracy and dont use propaganda but we have a lot of different views we have to bring together. Thats why some elections the people dont show up. Its a nationwide scenario
Its doesnt help that the DNC leadership is MIA on messaging.
What can we do?
Baitball Blogger
(48,062 posts)Take a page from Stacey Abrams. It has to be someone who resonates well within their own group. And then, from there, there must be cross-over issues to capture everyone else. But the most important thing is that she represented change. What Florida Dem represents change? They haven't even addressed what change is wanted, or desired. That's because they don't want change. And that's why people are lethargic about going to vote.
But, there's a larger lesson for progressives to use to push their message, like Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez. What brought on hardcore socialist take-overs in Latin America was the deplorable, extreme human condition of the people. So, the lesson for America is to make sure that the country addresses the problem of poverty to make sure that our country is not vulnerable to that kind of take-over. Sometimes you have to give a little to make our country stronger.
onethatcares
(16,571 posts)were brought on those citizens by United States Corporations, Dole being one that comes to mind quickly.
Along with United States paid movements to remove democracy from those countries, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, and install an authoritarian regime
Or am I missing something?
Our own government gives but a little to address the problem of poverty and underfunding education is one of the easiest things to do.
Your ? ref "what Florida Dem represents change? " and addressing what change is wanted is going to require some thought and meditation. Thank you for posting it.
BTW, i'm in the St Pete area, a new mayor got elected and I've yet to hear his agenda.