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RockRaven

(16,170 posts)
1. No official statements, but apparently they have decided that they cannot prosecute a
Sun Jan 29, 2023, 12:13 AM
Jan 2023

corrupt, lying, sex trafficking fraudster politician because the primary witness is a corrupt, lying, sex trafficking fraudster politician and the jury won't believe that guy.

FBaggins

(27,505 posts)
4. To be fair... it appears to go beyond that
Sun Jan 29, 2023, 06:59 AM
Jan 2023

The primary witness had apparently been convicted of previously lying about a politician having sex with an underage partner.

FBaggins

(27,505 posts)
3. Prosecutors apparently believe they can't prove it in court
Sun Jan 29, 2023, 06:54 AM
Jan 2023

“two people whose testimony has issues that veteran prosecutors feel would not pass muster with a jury”

OldBaldy1701E

(6,213 posts)
5. So, if they all do it...
Sun Jan 29, 2023, 07:46 AM
Jan 2023

They can get away with it? I have an idea. How about we get some prosecutors around this nation who are more interested in justice than worrying about how they and/or their political future might look if they lose a case? Yes? Maybe? Hopefully??

FBaggins

(27,505 posts)
7. No... to all the above
Sun Jan 29, 2023, 08:18 AM
Jan 2023

Rather "if you can't prove it in court - you shouldn't charge someone"

The "beyond a reasonable doubt to a unanimous jury" standard applies to people we don't like too.

Lightning-rod opponents are naturally presumed guilty until proven innocent on political chat sites... but that isn't the legal standard.

OldBaldy1701E

(6,213 posts)
14. I would surmise that the problem does not seem to be if then cannot prove it
Mon Jan 30, 2023, 06:37 PM
Jan 2023

As much as they do not think it is a 'sure win'. Also, you do not want prosecutors that prefer justice to personal progress?

stopdiggin

(12,694 posts)
11. No. The case was shakey in the extreme
Sun Jan 29, 2023, 11:38 AM
Jan 2023

And despite the fact that you (we) don't like it - jurors are still not particularly impressed with weasels, cons, convicted felons and proven liars as witnesses. I know .. strange!

Bring them a winnable case ... And they'd be quite happy to go after a smug, rich boy politician. Happens all the time.

Scrivener7

(52,474 posts)
6. Same thing that happens to most investigations against most republiQans.
Sun Jan 29, 2023, 08:09 AM
Jan 2023

Delay, delay, delay, then sink into oblivion.

They did have the receipts and the accomplice who was willing to talk, but apparently that wasn't enough i's and t's.

Wonder Why

(4,572 posts)
8. They DID take action.
Sun Jan 29, 2023, 11:08 AM
Jan 2023

The Republicans made him the chairman of the Underage Sex Committee. He intends to call Jeffrey Epstein as his first witness after Hunter Biden's laptop.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
9. Yep, Gaetz is my rep in the Florida Panhandle
Sun Jan 29, 2023, 11:14 AM
Jan 2023

and there was zero (0) noise about him in the local news except one article stating the gov. was giving him a pass due to "concrete" evidence.
But, it was to be expected from those who know how local Florida politics work and their reach into national politics.

emulatorloo

(45,537 posts)
13. No, it is over. They couldn't make a strong case. This was in the newspapers a few months back.
Sun Jan 29, 2023, 03:34 PM
Jan 2023

They couldn’t make a strong case that would convince a jury.

A lot of DU’ers read newspapers online when they get the time.

It helps them to keep up with current events.

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