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Thu Jun 20, 2024, 07:49 AM Jun 2024

Latest legal round in Little Big Brother DeSatan's war on education.

Douglas Soule, Tallahassee Democrat, USA TODAY NETWORK – FLORIDA

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals heard oral arguments over a key provision of Gov. Ron DeSantis’ much-touted 'Stop WOKE Act.'

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – An attorney representing education officials appointed by Gov. Ron DeSantis late last week told a federal appeals court that Florida lawmakers, if they so choose, can prohibit professors from criticizing the governor in the classroom.

'In the classroom, the professor’s speech is the government’s speech, and the government can restrict professors on a content-wide basis and restrict them from offering viewpoints that are contrary,' said Charles Cooper of the Cooper & Kirk law firm, responding to a judge posing that scenario.

The remarks came during oral arguments before a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals over a key provision of DeSantis’ much-touted 'Stop WOKE Act,' which limits discussion of race, gender and other topics in state university classrooms.

That provision was blocked by Chief U.S. District Judge Mark Walker of Tallahassee, who called it 'positively dystopian.' The circuit court last year denied the state’s request to undo the block before it reached a final decision on the case.

Last week’s argument, held in Miami, focused on the line between academic freedom and the state government’s ability to control institutions it funds and oversees. 'Let’s say that conspiracy theories were taking hold, and there were a group of professors who were teaching that the moon landing never happened or that 9/11 was an inside job,' said Judge Britt Grant, appointed by former President Donald Trump. 'Is there nothing, in your view, that the Florida Legislature could do about that?'

'That would be within the province of the university, first and foremost,' responded attorney Leah Watson of the American Civil Liberties Union, representing Florida professors challenging the law. She’s part of a legal team with the ACLU of Florida, NAACP Legal Defense Fund and the Ballard Spahr law firm.

Attorney Greg Greubel of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, said in response to the same question: 'You can’t censor your way to freedom, and there are a lot of classes in public universities that teach conspiracy theories so that students can understand the theories behind them and argue against them.'

The law in question, which was signed by DeSantis, says it’s discrimination to 'subject any student or employee to training or instruction that espouses, promotes, advances, inculcates or compels' them to believe a list of eight things, including that they should bear personal responsibility for historic wrongs or feel guilt because of their race, color, sex or national origin.

Grant pushed back on Gruebel’s point by saying that such instruction on conspiracy theories was different than endorsing those theories, but he counted that the passive way the statute was written makes its applicability broader than that.

This is not the only provision of the 'Stop WOKE Act' that’s been challenged. Several months ago, the 11th Circuit upheld a decision blocking a different key provision of the law that restricted businesses’ diversity practices and trainings. But that hasn’t stopped the state from still targeting such practices. For example, Attorney General Ashley Moody announced last month that her office had filed a state complaint over Starbucks’ diversity, equity and inclusion practices.

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