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Peacetrain

(23,614 posts)
Fri May 22, 2020, 10:20 AM May 2020

Okay getting ready to fill out my mail in ballot and I am having second thoughts on Greenfield

Mauro has just been after her on local tv big time.. and I think he might be behind an attack ad I saw on Franken this morning.. cannot be sure of that though.. There is something about Mauro I just do not connect with.. and who ever is attacking Franken is really doing a run around job, because he retired back home which is Iowa.. I don't know.. anyone have any thoughts on this..

Need to add explanation .. this morning the anti Franken commercial was saying he just moved to Iowa a year ago, without going into any detail that he is from Iowa.. and has been in Washington serving in different capacities in his naval career..

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Okay getting ready to fill out my mail in ballot and I am having second thoughts on Greenfield (Original Post) Peacetrain May 2020 OP
My only advice? IGNORE EVERYTHING ON TV. Moostache May 2020 #1
Already did that!! but I am always willing to listen to other people Peacetrain May 2020 #3
Stand a better chance of winning the seat with Franken exboyfil May 2020 #2
And Grady came to Sioux City where Franken now lives.. Peacetrain May 2020 #4
My daugther and son in law are ISU grads in Mechanical Engineering exboyfil May 2020 #5
Well Franken is most definitely an Iowan.. Peacetrain May 2020 #6
We went with Franken for a couple of reasons rurallib May 2020 #7
Rural I have looked at all the candidates today more indepth on line.. Peacetrain May 2020 #8
I voted Franken too. This thread makes me happy. IADEMO2004 May 2020 #9
Me too!!.. Peacetrain May 2020 #10
I've been leaning Franken too. The attack ad made me question my choice a bit, but then bullwinkle428 May 2020 #11
That attack ad on Franken was apparently from Emily's list rurallib May 2020 #12
Oh Yeah.. that is a great article.. Peacetrain May 2020 #13
We all voted for Franken. madaboutharry May 2020 #14

Moostache

(10,135 posts)
1. My only advice? IGNORE EVERYTHING ON TV.
Fri May 22, 2020, 10:33 AM
May 2020

Ads are pure poison to rational thought and careful consideration.
If you allow an ad or a series of them to influence your vote, you have given up the franchise to someone else's desires, and not your own.

Research the candidates yourself, find their platforms or direct statements and positions and vote YOUR conscience. That goes for us all in ANY election. I am so fucking sick of the media and advertising running everything I want to scream nearly all the time.

Peacetrain

(23,614 posts)
3. Already did that!! but I am always willing to listen to other people
Fri May 22, 2020, 10:46 AM
May 2020

in case they have information I do not have..

exboyfil

(17,974 posts)
2. Stand a better chance of winning the seat with Franken
Fri May 22, 2020, 10:45 AM
May 2020

in my opinion. Getting Ernst out should be the top priority. Franken neutralizes her chief (only?) strength.

I mean if Grady can come back from Hollywood and get elected. Someone who has served their country should definitely get a pass on the carpetbagger label (far less of a carpetbagger than Hillary Clinton if you ask me).

I mean his only fault is going to Nebraska for his engineering degree when he could have gone to Iowa State. I will give him a pass on that transgression.

Peacetrain

(23,614 posts)
4. And Grady came to Sioux City where Franken now lives..
Fri May 22, 2020, 10:50 AM
May 2020

Love the Iowa State reference.. most people do not know what a great engineering college ISU is.. My son is totally Franken for exactly the reason you said.. he sees him as the best bet to push Ernst. I guess I never saw Franken as a carpetbagger because he really is from Iowa.. I think Sioux County..

exboyfil

(17,974 posts)
5. My daugther and son in law are ISU grads in Mechanical Engineering
Fri May 22, 2020, 11:03 AM
May 2020

I have taken over 30 hrs of graduate engineering courses from them. They are a great school. The school is lot like Purdue which I attended. Nebraska is also a fine engineering school with the same tradition of land grant excellence. I have worked with many engineers from there.

The ad apparently portrays him as a carpetbagger. I haven't seen it, but it seems particularly nasty if that is the case. In all seriousness, unless your politics align better with Greenfield, she doesn't look good in comparison to Franken. She will be pounded about her inexperience in the general election. I wish the prominent Iowa Democrats had held back a bit on endorsements, but part of the problem was Franken's relatively late entry into the race.

She also has the signature scandal to overcome, and, I have to ask, since she apparently questioned Franken's Iowan bonafides, is she an Iowan or a Minnesotan?

Peacetrain

(23,614 posts)
6. Well Franken is most definitely an Iowan..
Fri May 22, 2020, 11:25 AM
May 2020

And Mauro has really done a number on Greenfield.. it is interesting.. I used to work for ISU through the extension office. Love the school.. or as my son used to say (he is an Iowa grad).. Mom works for the other Iowa.. rofl!! Oh the ad also attacked him for being a former republican . I could not find anything on that, but if you are born in Sioux County, you are born into the republican party.. and become republican out of habit.. .. that is like being a Democrat in Johnson county.. its in the DNA..

Mechanical engineering, the people who make the toys for all the other engineers.. Congrats to the kids for a good choice!!!

rurallib

(63,150 posts)
7. We went with Franken for a couple of reasons
Fri May 22, 2020, 04:54 PM
May 2020

I even contributed to Greenfield's campaign, but her campaign seems geared to trying not to lose instead of working to win. Her ads and many of her interviews I have seen she really doesn't say much. It is like she is trying to not offend anyone.

Franken OTOH has quite a record as an admiral. I just saw that hatchet job ad on Franken that claims he was a Republican. If he was then now he is a great actor, because I believe what he says and what he says is generally very liberal. From what I have read he is genuine. My thoughts are that his career, his accomplishments and his stands will dwarf Ernst.

One more note - I hope Mauro is proud of doing Ernst's work for her. His attack strategy really, really makes me mad. If we had a normal campaign with live appearances I would jump at the chance to tell him that to his face. Quit tearing our candidates down.

Glad you asked I was wondering how folks here felt about this race.

Greenfield does have a big money advantage and a huge wad of endorsements, most of which came before Franken entered.

Peacetrain

(23,614 posts)
8. Rural I have looked at all the candidates today more indepth on line..
Fri May 22, 2020, 05:44 PM
May 2020

and I have to agree with you and my son, and now my husband.. We are all voting Franken. I got the same vibe on Mauro.. It is almost personal with him the way he is going after Greenfield.

edit to add: I found this on his wikipedia page ...


2003 to 2005 and was the first military officer to serve as a legislative fellow for the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy

Peacetrain

(23,614 posts)
10. Me too!!..
Sat May 23, 2020, 12:04 PM
May 2020

Cal Woods is still on the ballot, but he has dropped out and endorsed Franken.. Greenfield has the money and all the party behind her, so she will get a big boost from all that power.. but Franken is on the move for sure.. I am good for either one, but voting Franken for sure.. just feel better about that vote

bullwinkle428

(20,640 posts)
11. I've been leaning Franken too. The attack ad made me question my choice a bit, but then
Tue May 26, 2020, 07:33 PM
May 2020

I read about him working with Ted Kennedy back in the day. So much for "life-long Republican"! I'm so old, I can recall when some DUers tried to smear Elizabeth Warren with that crap.

rurallib

(63,150 posts)
12. That attack ad on Franken was apparently from Emily's list
Wed May 27, 2020, 04:02 PM
May 2020

I used to think they were pretty good, but this makes me question them.

here is an article a friend sent me this morning from Forbes:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/craighooper/2020/05/26/iowas-senate-primary-will-decide-democratic-national-security-leadership-in-the-senate/#74c1155616b3

Hopefully you can open it.

Peacetrain

(23,614 posts)
13. Oh Yeah.. that is a great article..
Wed May 27, 2020, 07:58 PM
May 2020

rural there is just such a surge for Franken.. I think some are going to be very very surprised. Emily's List is dedicated to getting Democratic women elected.. and that is good.. but if the best candidate is not the woman candidate.. well Emily's list may have done exactly what the DSCC did, and did a coronation too soon

madaboutharry

(41,287 posts)
14. We all voted for Franken.
Wed May 27, 2020, 08:30 PM
May 2020

I don't know why the DNC rushed to endorse Greenfield. Mauro annoys me. Kimberly Graham turned me off with her comment during the debate that "one can argue that Bernie won the caucus."

I don't know if Franken can catch Greenfield. She had a running start. I was very impressed with his debate answers. He seems to be a person who knows who he is and he has demonstrated that he has deep democratic values. His intellect was refreshing.

Franken grew up on a farm in Iowa and left the state to serve the country with a decades long military career. The "carpetbagger" commercial is shameful.

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