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A Kansas city voted unanimously to ban co-living rentals, effectively making roommates illegal in some zoning districts
Shawnee, located in Johnson County, unanimously voted early last week to ban the living arrangement in an 8-0 vote by the City Council, The Kansas City Star reported.
As rental and housing prices have climbed across the country, people have turned to roommates to help balance the cost.
The Shawnee ordinance said a group of people is co-living if it includes at least four adults who are unrelated. Only one adult needs to be unrelated for the entire group to be classified as unrelated, according to the Kansas City Star.
"City Staff received input and concerns from residents and City Council members regarding a relatively new trend where single family homes are being purchased and converted into rental units with multiple individual tenants," a memorandum of the ordinance said.
"In this arrangement, individual tenants have leases of varying lengths, have separate secured access to their rooms, and often do not know or have relationships with the others who are also occupying the same single family dwelling," the memo continued, saying the rental arrangements are "not typical of common rental uses in single family districts that are occupied by family units."
this is intrusive and crazy ....
Ferrets are Cool
(21,985 posts)spooky3
(36,404 posts)to be occupied by owners or rented to related persons.
Four college students renting a house, for example, are very unlikely to maintain a house or yard the way most owners would, and they may have more late night parties, etc. Neighbors have legitimate interests in preserving neighborhoods.
There are likely plenty of apartment rentals available for groups.
Bev54
(11,936 posts)or don't rent to them. This is a ridiculous bylaw. It has always been up to the landlord to ensure their property is maintained and to vet their tenants.
ZenDem
(442 posts)The house next to me was a rental. The landlord rented to 5 kids, all under 25. They let their dog run free to tear up garbage, threaten children, etc. They left trash all over their yard which I had to pick out of MY yard, had parties in the backyard on weeknights until early hours of the morning. Drove THROUGH MY YARD to get to their driveway when there were too many cars in theirs. Set off fireworks that I found on the roof of my house and in my yard.
Once they left, he rented to ANOTHER group of kids under 25 with a different dog, same EXACT behavior.
Cops and the city didn't do a damned thing and told me that I should contact the landlord. I tried tracking down the landlord, but he never responded to any calls. No...one...cared...at...all...
Landlords are a business and need to be regulated just like any company. This regulation is not ridiculous and should be standard. This is not only a property issue, but a safety issue. Those shitheads could have killed a kid, set my house on fire, etc. Saying it "has always been up to the landlord" doesn't work. Frequently, landlords are out of the area and no physical access to the house.
This is KC. Cops don't have time to babysit the neighbors and normally take hours to respond. Whey they do, they don't do anything. Nothing. Left the dog, told the kids they should be more considerate. LOL!!!
spooky3
(36,404 posts)for mowing and other exterior as well as interior maintenance, and for not breaking stuff. If the stove stops working, for example, but you the tenant were not negligent, then the landlord/lady likely is responsible for repairs.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,826 posts)Just limited the number of unrelated adults who can live together. That's a huge difference. Four unrelated adults can live together. But not five or more.
Many apartment complexes have long had similar rules in effect.
spooky3
(36,404 posts)Blues Heron
(6,227 posts)Bev54
(11,936 posts)then the son's girlfriend cannot move in? When is it we hold the actual people responsible for any trouble and quit trying to make rules for everyone, when it may be only one or a couple who screw up.
dchill
(40,751 posts)spooky3
(36,404 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)In my opinion.
Many Asian families are multigenerational. Also Hispanic, and Pacific Islanders. They like living in multigenerational homes. They also take in friends who may need a helping hand.
I think its racist. I live in the area.
spooky3
(36,404 posts)Bev54
(11,936 posts)spooky3
(36,404 posts)Person.
Bev54
(11,936 posts)spooky3
(36,404 posts)Prospective tenants are not being banned from apartments; this ban was enacted because SFH owners want to preserve the character of their neighborhood.
jimfields33
(19,281 posts)twodogsbarking
(12,268 posts)Our town has the three unrelated persons rule in parts of town.
Only three unrelated are allowed.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)And clearly it is at a bad time in terms of cost of housing.
Phoenix61
(17,721 posts)drives up the price of single family homes. Air B&B does the same thing. Places that were intended to be somewhere to live become income generating businesses.
Bev54
(11,936 posts)entirely different and can be under a different bylaw because it is more like a hotel in a residential area.
Phoenix61
(17,721 posts)The article said leases were of varying lengths so some
may be short-term. Either way it inflates housing costs in the area by driving up comps.
spooky3
(36,404 posts)Many potential homeowners do not want to buy in neighborhoods where rentals are common. So that reduces demand.
Phoenix61
(17,721 posts)to investors because single families can no longer afford the neighborhood. They end up looking in less expensive areas but since they have more disposable income they drive up the price of housing in that neighborhood. So, the larger houses end up rentals and the people who would have lived there move over to the next neighborhood. The family at the bottom gets completely squeezed out of the housing market. Meanwhile realtors and banks are raking in the dollars. Local governors are thrilled because property tax revenues go up. This is also why they are incredibly reluctant to push back against it. Areas where tourists like to visit are especially vulnerable to this. Like where I live.
spooky3
(36,404 posts)Phoenix61
(17,721 posts)spooky3
(36,404 posts)Hypothesis.
I also live in an area where tourists visit (DC metro) and where there are developers aplenty. I could offer an anecdote based on my neighborhood that would support a hypothesis that allowing lots of tenants per SFH drives down homeowner demand and home value (and thats why current homeowners demand zoning restrictions) and further propose that while investor demand could offset some of it, it doesnt offset all of it (or that that could depend on several other factors). But without data, we have no way to know whether Im right or wrong.
One factor in my neighborhood is that the rental costs for SFHs typically dont cover even most of the ownership costs. Investors here want to build apartment complexes where zoning allows it.
In my neighborhood, several owners rent out their homes or part of them, and often this violates zoning. But as long as everyone behaves well, and there arent too many such houses, people look the other way.
Phoenix61
(17,721 posts)Investors bought a record share of homes in 2021. See where.
An analysis of 40 major metro areas revealed unequal levels of investor activity, with southern cities and Black neighborhoods disproportionately affected
Those purchases come at a time when would-be buyers across the country are seeing wildly escalating prices, raising the question of what impact investors are having on prices for everyone else. Investors were even more aggressive in the final three months of the year, buying 15 percent of all homes that sold in the 40 markets.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2022/housing-market-investors/
Wall Street is buying up family homes. The rent checks are too juicy to ignore
The coronavirus pandemic gave institutional investors all the proof they needed that single-family rentals could survive a severe economic downturn.
Real estate analytics firm Green Street estimates that single-family rental values in the United States are 15% above their pre-Covid level. Renting out single-family homes is expected to deliver annual returns for private investors in the next three years of 6.8%, compared with 6.1% for apartments, 6.3% for industrial properties and 6.4% for malls, Green Street said in a July report.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/02/business/family-homes-wall-street/index.html
Young couples are now competing with more than 200 firms, from tech startups to money managers to rental platforms, to purchase houses priced at record highs. If you want as many regular people as possible to be able to afford a home and build up their wealth the way previous generations have, having investors able to spend tens of thousands of dollars above the asking price and pay in all-cash, all across the market, certainly isnt an encouraging development.
https://www.fatherly.com/news/investors-single-family-home-market-rentals-wealth/amp/
spooky3
(36,404 posts)Is zoning that allows 5 or more unrelated people to rent there.
Phoenix61
(17,721 posts)DBoon
(23,157 posts)Hence maintaining the"elite" status by keeping lower income adults out
Phoenix61
(17,721 posts)it from a place to live to an invest property with the goal of maximizing profit. Its quite literally operating a business in a residential neighborhood.
Ritabert
(754 posts)....4 or more cars and they never have enough parking for them.
Croney
(4,926 posts)This is a (minor) pet peeve of mine. People post the maximum that fits, and that leaves a dangling incomplete sentence, and then you scour the article and don't find the rest of the sentence, because it was just the title.
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