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luckyleftyme2

(3,880 posts)
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 07:54 AM Feb 2015

what you may not know(keystone pipeline)


I came across this and thought it worth forwarding:
2015-01-30 / Commentary

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Keystone about much more than Kerpen tells us
BY SARAH J. SLAGLE-ARNOLD
Phil Kerpen in his article published in the Times Record on January 7, recommends that the United States approve the Keystone XL pipeline. Kerpen is President of American Commitment, an organization dedicated to “Free Markets, Economic Growth, Limited Government, Property Rights, and Individual Freedom” according to its website. There are many statements in this article which are highly questionable. Kerpen’s claim that the pipeline would create 40,000 jobs appears to be a gross exaggeration. The Times Record editorial on January 22 puts the number of jobs at 5,000 temporary jobs and only 40 permanent ones, hardly enough given all the risks of a Keystone XL pipeline.

Kerpen’s claim that the principal opponent of the pipeline is San Francisco billionaire Tom Steyer is totally false. In June of 2011, twelve hundred people came to Washington, D.C. to protest the pipeline in the largest act of civil disobedience in the North American climate movement, followed by 40,000 people who stood outside the White House in 2013 protesting Keystone. Gus Speth, former dean of Yale’s School of Forestry and Environmental Studies, has thrown his lot with those getting arrested to protest the Keystone Pipeline. In addition there are millions of people opposed to building the pipeline for reasons Kerpen failed to mention. Ranchers and indigenous people who live along the proposed pipeline path have campaigned together against the pipeline that would threaten their water supplies. Water supplies along the proposed route of the pipeline are all interconnected. Spills from the pipeline could contaminate an enormous expanse of water needed for drinking and irrigation of the nation’s breadbasket, not to dismiss salmon runs and valued fly fishing streams.

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Perhaps the biggest reason not to build Keystone is that the planned route is through the Ogallala Aquifer, a vast source of fresh water beneath the Great Plains that provides drinking water to approximately two million people. We cannot put this huge source of fresh water at risk. But Kerpen doesn’t tell us this. He may not even know about it.

He doesn’t tell us that the tar sands oil the Keystone XL pipeline would carry have emissions of CO2 that are 12 percent higher than from conventional oil. He doesn’t tell us about the scourge on the landscape the tar sands extractions have made in Alberta, where the Trans Canada oil company has torn down boreal forests to extract tar sands oil, leaving huge tailing ponds covering nearly 70 square miles. These ponds have now been found to leak toxic liquid into nearby water systems. He doesn’t tell us about the broken treaties with indigenous people in Alberta who can no longer fish in their streams. The lawsuits brought by indigenous people in Canada and the U.S., some of which have been successful, may be out greatest hope to forestall this attack on our land. Indigenous people, however, have few resources to go up against “Big Oil.” For a more complete understanding of this debate I heartily recommend Naomi Klein’s most recent book, This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate.

Kerpen doesn’t tell us that a part of the Keystone pipeline system known as Keystone 1 is already built and had fourteen leaks in the United States in its first year of operation. Tar sands oil is thought to cause more erosion of pipelines than traditional oil. We have only to look at yesterday’s newspaper to read about truckloads of water being brought into the town of Glendive, Montana following a leak in an oil pipeline that poisoned the water supply in the Yellowstone River with 50,000 gallons of oil, or more.

Another error in Kerpen’s article is that Keystone would provide “more secure access to North American energy.” All the tar sands oil in Keystone would be carried to refineries in Texas and exported from there to other countries and would add nothing to the U.S. supply of oil.

As to Kerpen’s attack on Tom Steyer, shouldn’t we applaud a man who once promoted and made his fortune on fossil fuels for “seeing the light” and becoming a proponent of “green energy”? The forces against green energy are fierce, but unless we listen to what 97 percent of environmental scientists are telling us and do something about our reliance on fossil fuels now, we will not have a livable planet. Let us hope that Obama will not listen to false prophets like Phil Kerpen and will acquire the knowledge and courage that will lead him to veto the Keystone XL pipeline.

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Sarah J. Slagle-Arnold is a clinical psychologist. She lives in Topsham.
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what you may not know(keystone pipeline) (Original Post) luckyleftyme2 Feb 2015 OP
Kerpen was a policy analyst for Club For Growth. All I need to know about him. nt djean111 Feb 2015 #1
"Keystone 1 is already built and had fourteen leaks in the United States in its first year ..." Scuba Feb 2015 #2
very true luckyleftyme2 Feb 2015 #16
ps luckyleftyme2 Feb 2015 #17
And what about reducing the price of oil? fasttense Feb 2015 #3
you need to do more research luckyleftyme2 Feb 2015 #15
Do you have a link...? nt MADem Feb 2015 #4
see post #5 nt AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2015 #13
Found the story here: GarColga Feb 2015 #5
Welcome to DU. Thanks for the link. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2015 #14
Being reasonably well informed on the subject 90-percent Feb 2015 #6
Why is it alwats about the PRO(s)/CON(s) of Building Pipelines, only? Johnny Rash Feb 2015 #7
Yep - and we'll have to import our food and water all the way from China! panfluteman Feb 2015 #10
Looks like you are getting my POV! Johnny Rash Feb 2015 #11
How I long for the days of the Cold War and the evil Russian Empire. Stonepounder Feb 2015 #8
K n R stopwastingmymoney Feb 2015 #9
k&r... nt AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2015 #12
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. "Keystone 1 is already built and had fourteen leaks in the United States in its first year ..."
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 08:47 AM
Feb 2015

So lets do more, eh?

luckyleftyme2

(3,880 posts)
16. very true
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 07:47 AM
Feb 2015

I have posted this on facebook; I find that koch brothers hire several pr people to counter negative reporting of their deeds or holdings. this article says they are the largest foreign lease holder. their expot states that many smaller Canadian
companies own more leases! hmmm then they wouldn't be considered foreign companies in a thinkers world! am I right! this is how you bamboozle a republican! most are non-thinkers -just followers!

luckyleftyme2

(3,880 posts)
17. ps
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 07:53 AM
Feb 2015

I have a relative who is an expert conservative - if you told him the pipeline that goes through the sebago water shed should rupture he would tell you they have automatic methods of shutting down the line. hmmm the last leak took days to discover! a major spill is more likely what would happen.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
3. And what about reducing the price of oil?
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 09:45 AM
Feb 2015

That use to be a big claim by Keystone Pipeline Lovers that completing it would bring down the price of oil. But now they aren't touting price declines. I wonder why? Maybe because it declined with absolutely no help from the pipeline lovers.

luckyleftyme2

(3,880 posts)
15. you need to do more research
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 07:41 AM
Feb 2015

the oil will go to texas refineries than aprox 65 per cent will be shipped overseas to foreign markets, it will not lower fuel prices in the usa. the possibility of the majority being shipped to the highest bidder will probably be the real outcome. greed usually wins out if conservatives are in control.

90-percent

(6,876 posts)
6. Being reasonably well informed on the subject
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 10:14 AM
Feb 2015

35 permanent jobs, oil goes on world market, will not lower gas prices, no benefit to almost all Americans, tar sands in Canada owned by the koch brothers, who stand to make billions off it, etc.

Makes it especially galling to me when I see Mitch and Boehner and all the other bought and paid for shill politicians lie about the benefits of the pipeline to the American people.

And I think MSM propaganda is working out well for them, as I think, what is it, 60 or 70% of Americans polled ARE FUCKING IN FAVOR OF IT? Which I conclude means that the Koch Brothers and American MSM can fool the average American 60% to 70% of the time. Orwellian Nazi like propaganda is one of the best investments our Oligarch's have ever made!

-90% Jimmy

 

Johnny Rash

(227 posts)
7. Why is it alwats about the PRO(s)/CON(s) of Building Pipelines, only?
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 10:26 AM
Feb 2015
I think the public is being seriously mislead in order to cloud the real issue, which primarily deals with "the Agricultural LANDS being converted into DEAD ZONES", without Public Consent.

panfluteman

(2,164 posts)
10. Yep - and we'll have to import our food and water all the way from China!
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 10:48 AM
Feb 2015

This is what I've been saying about KXL all along - of course, the Climate Change aspect of it is very bad. But even worse, and more immediate and irrefutable, is what KXL will do to our water, and to the Ogallala Aquifer, and to our agriculture, for Pete's sake! 14 oil spills already on Keystone 1? I heard that up in Alberta, there are an average of 2 oil spills every single day!

Hey, let's do a little science experiment: How long can a man survive without gas for his car? He can walk, or ride a bicycle. But how long can he survive without food or water? Duuhhh!

 

Johnny Rash

(227 posts)
11. Looks like you are getting my POV!
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 11:07 AM
Feb 2015
The whole issue can easily be express this way: Is America sponsoring ECO-Terrorism abroad?

Pictures such as the following make me wonder about it, everyday!







For some time, I thought these ARIAL PHOTOS showed the Actions of some Alien Civilations from OUTER SPACE, who are slowly TERRA-FORMING the planet.

But, then I realized those were the Actions of GREEDY Human Beings who have absolutely no-respect for LIFE whatsoever!

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
8. How I long for the days of the Cold War and the evil Russian Empire.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 10:34 AM
Feb 2015

At least then the propaganda of the MSM was directed outward. We could decry how Russia only had one party to vote for, the Communists, only one news source, Pravda, and how most citizens were little more than serfs, while the top echelons of the Party (always spelled with a capital ('C') lived a life of luxury. And, because Pravda told the citizenry only what its masters wanted it to tell, all those serfs thought they were living in a 'worker's paradise'.

But then the 'evil empire' fell and the uber wealthy had to look elsewhere for their obscene wealth. And, golly gee whiz, they looked here. And we are seeing SSDD. Do we really have two parties. I guess. There is a really tiny party, made up of Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and a few others. And then there is the Demopublican party, whose rhetoric proclaims it is two different parties, but whose votes say otherwise. We have our own version of Pravda and its name is FOX. And the rest of the MSM prints whatever the Demopublicans tell them to print.

So we have a Congress that finally admits that climate change, but refused to admit that mankind has anything to do with it, a Congress that if gung-ho for the XL pipeline, one that gleefully puts a science-denier at the head of the Technology and Science Committee, a President who finally, when he knows there is no chance of passage, offers up a budget that would actually help the Middle Class, while at the same time, negotiating the TPP (which many have referred to as NAFTA on steroids) which will move the world a long step toward total corporatocracy.

<sigh> Give me the days of the Cold WAr and the evil Russian Empire.

stopwastingmymoney

(2,143 posts)
9. K n R
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 10:45 AM
Feb 2015

Another thing people may not know is that this stuff is thick and corrosive, it must be diluted with chemicals, heated and piped under pressure. Therefore to say 'leak' is incorrect, when it breaks it won't leak, it will spray at high pressure. Disastrous...

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