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JustAnotherGen

(33,549 posts)
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:35 PM May 2018

NJ Bill Requires GE Presidential Candidates to Release their Income Tax Returns

http://ballot-access.org/2018/01/23/new-jersey-bill-to-require-general-election-presidential-candidates-to-release-their-income-tax-returns/

Ten New Jersey legislators have introduced AB 1230. It says that no presidential candidate’s name shall be printed on the general election ballot unless the candidate has released his or her tax returns, by 50 days before the election. The bill also says no presidential elector may vote for anyone who hasn’t released such tax returns.

A similar bill passed in 2017, but it was vetoed by Governor Chris Christie, a Republican. He is no longer Governor so this bill is fairly likely to be enacted.





Show me your moneeeeeeeeeeeeeeey!
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NJ Bill Requires GE Presidential Candidates to Release their Income Tax Returns (Original Post) JustAnotherGen May 2018 OP
states have no authority in federal matters nt msongs May 2018 #1
And the US Constitution provides an exhaustive list of requirements Cicada May 2018 #2
Nope - JustAnotherGen May 2018 #5
I don't think states can overrule the constitution Cicada May 2018 #12
Ha it's not the President Job Requirements JustAnotherGen May 2018 #17
Well, here's someone who thinks it's possible ehrnst May 2018 #3
Exactly JustAnotherGen May 2018 #6
In order to get on the ballot JustAnotherGen May 2018 #4
Thanks. murielm99 May 2018 #10
It probably won't happen but could Republican controlled states OnDoutside May 2018 #7
I'm of the mindset JustAnotherGen May 2018 #9
Good point. OnDoutside May 2018 #11
What law might that be? 3Hotdogs May 2018 #13
I'm not sure but if you look at the sheer neck of those idiots in NC, anything OnDoutside May 2018 #14
They already passed voter ID laws. nt Lucky Luciano May 2018 #16
K&R. They all should volunteer the infornation for transparency's sake lunamagica May 2018 #8
I agree. nt brer cat May 2018 #15
No veto this time around, and I believe Democrats have larger % in both houses? (not sure) George II May 2018 #18
Yep we sure do! JustAnotherGen May 2018 #19

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
2. And the US Constitution provides an exhaustive list of requirements
Tue May 1, 2018, 01:52 PM
May 2018

And tax returns ain’t in the list of requirements. Now congress could provide campaign finance payments only to those who provide tax returns, etc.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
12. I don't think states can overrule the constitution
Tue May 1, 2018, 03:36 PM
May 2018

And the Constitution provides the requirements to be President. California can not require the President be at least 50 years old, can not require that he be a Farmer, etc. constitution trump’s states. There are areas where the constitution is silent, such as whether a state’s residents may vote to select those in the electoral college, but a state may not change the constitutionally mandated requirements to hold the office of President. They can’t require tax returns, they can’t require the President work as a farmer, and so on. The constitution has spoken on requirements and states can not overrule the constitution.

JustAnotherGen

(33,549 posts)
17. Ha it's not the President Job Requirements
Wed May 2, 2018, 06:02 AM
May 2018

It's the ballot.

Don't confuse the two.

Ballot access sits with the state.

If you meet the Federal Requirements - all we ask is you meet the States requirements to be on the ballot.

Show me the money. All of it.

ETA as I posted below -
Star Member JustAnotherGen (24,674 posts)


4. In order to get on the ballot

. . . a candidate for president of the United States must meet a variety of complex, state-specific filing requirements and deadlines. These regulations, known as ballot access laws, determine whether a candidate or party will appear on an election ballot. These laws are set at the state level. A presidential candidate must prepare to meet ballot access requirements well in advance of primaries, caucuses, and the general election.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates

Lather, rinse, repeat - these laws are set at the STATE level.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
3. Well, here's someone who thinks it's possible
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:06 PM
May 2018
The answer lies in another part of Article II—the part that received some important attention in Bush v. Gore, the Supreme Court decision that Democrats love to hate. Famously, the 2000 case between Republican nominee George W. Bush and Democratic nominee Al Gore effectively handed the election to Bush when it ended the Florida recount.

Article II provides that the “state legislature” “may direct” “the manner” for choosing presidential electors. In Bush v. Gore, the Court stated that this Article II power given to state legislatures was “plenary,” meaning that the states have a broad power when it comes to presidential elections. Indeed, the Court wrote that even though state legislators have given each state’s voters the right to vote for presidential electors, at any time a state legislature can “take back the power” to appoint electors. In other words, if the California or Texas state legislature wanted to directly choose the state’s presidential electors in 2020, the state could do so. As Dean Vik Amar notes, the Constitution does not necessarily include a right of Americans to vote for president at all (and American citizens in U.S. territories do not have this right).


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/donald-trump-tax-returns-release-214950

It's too bad that we're down to forcing a financially secretive candidate to simply volunteer to do what has been considered basic ethical transparency in presidential candidates since the seventies.

But 2016 showed we can't expect that.

JustAnotherGen

(33,549 posts)
6. Exactly
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:10 PM
May 2018

Anything to give Trump a really hard time in 2020 I'm all for.

We didn't elect Murphy, hold a Democratic Assembly seat, and flip another blue to just roll over and take shit from that ass wipe that clogs up 202/206/287 every weekend in the summer because it can't keep it's ass in Washington DC.

JustAnotherGen

(33,549 posts)
4. In order to get on the ballot
Tue May 1, 2018, 02:08 PM
May 2018

. . . a candidate for president of the United States must meet a variety of complex, state-specific filing requirements and deadlines. These regulations, known as ballot access laws, determine whether a candidate or party will appear on an election ballot. These laws are set at the state level. A presidential candidate must prepare to meet ballot access requirements well in advance of primaries, caucuses, and the general election.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates

Lather, rinse, repeat - these laws are set at the STATE level.




Any Presidential candidate that wants to sue us can take it right on up to SCOTUS -

And also explain to the people of NJ precisely what it IS that their corrupt ass is hiding.

I'm on the ballot next month in a local race - if the people of this town in NJ want my tax returns - I can give them to them in detail back to 2004.

It's very simple.

OnDoutside

(20,656 posts)
7. It probably won't happen but could Republican controlled states
Tue May 1, 2018, 03:04 PM
May 2018

Bring a law that would be completely objectionable for Democratic candidates, in retaliation ?

JustAnotherGen

(33,549 posts)
9. I'm of the mindset
Tue May 1, 2018, 03:13 PM
May 2018

We can't worry about other states.

Other states elected people who pass a tax bill that deliberately and maliciously fucked over home owners and renters alike in NJ (thieved our property tax deduction).

This IS retaliation.

3Hotdogs

(13,394 posts)
13. What law might that be?
Tue May 1, 2018, 04:27 PM
May 2018

I can't think of a law that would be more objectionable to Dems than to Reps.

They could require all candidates to have been convicted of, or accused of immoral behavior, adultery. That might allow more Reps onto the ballot.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
8. K&R. They all should volunteer the infornation for transparency's sake
Tue May 1, 2018, 03:09 PM
May 2018

but since some don't, this is necessary.

JustAnotherGen

(33,549 posts)
19. Yep we sure do!
Fri May 4, 2018, 01:05 PM
May 2018

we couldn't get rid of our Senator but maintained a Democratic and flipped an Assembly seat last November in LD-16.

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