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LiberalArkie

(16,308 posts)
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:25 AM Apr 2016

Reddit: ATTENTION New York voters. DO NOT wear Bernie clothing to the polls.

ATTENTION New York voters. DO NOT wear Bernie clothing to the polls. self.SandersForPresident
submitted 10 hours ago * by Cali_needs_McKenna

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I'm not 100% certain that this is correct, but better safe than sorry. We want to make sure that everybody has the chance the vote, so spread the word.

EDIT: this has been confirmed by a couple of people in the comments. Here is a link more information:

http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4685&context=expresso

Googled, this is from the New York Civil Liberties Union in 2010: Can I wear a political t-shirt or button to the polls? The answer to this question has not been clearly resolved. But to be safe and avoid problems, we recommend that you wear a coat over your t-shirt and put political buttons in your pocket while at your polling place.



https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4f9z50/attention_new_york_voters_do_not_wear_bernie/
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Reddit: ATTENTION New York voters. DO NOT wear Bernie clothing to the polls. (Original Post) LiberalArkie Apr 2016 OP
Here is another one.. They say new Twitter and FaceBook people are saying to go with all the gear on LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #1
However if you are married to one of the candidates and wish to take a bullhorn INSIDE tularetom Apr 2016 #2
Maybe true --- but I think your name must be "Bill", "Jane" is likely not ok. karynnj Apr 2016 #5
Great Point. Wow. zentrum Apr 2016 #6
Every state has different rules, in case you didn't notice. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #33
Are you sure that's what happened? JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #54
there's video, ringo greymouse Apr 2016 #55
He never took a bullhorn inside a polling place JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #56
When I was a NY elections inspector yellerpup Apr 2016 #3
or they could just take their clothes off. greymouse Apr 2016 #4
Vote topless? No shoes, no shirt, no vote? Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2016 #11
I remember that! She was wearing a tunic length top, which 1monster Apr 2016 #15
monster greymouse Apr 2016 #43
I would have let them vote naked. yellerpup Apr 2016 #29
Women greiner3 Apr 2016 #32
LOL...we are of the same generation Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #31
Same here True Blue American Apr 2016 #8
Had this problem the last time I worked yellerpup Apr 2016 #34
And you are right (this happened to me once before I knew the rules)... eom mak3cats Apr 2016 #13
Same thing in California. Mr.Bill Apr 2016 #40
Good to know. yellerpup Apr 2016 #42
So who is encouraging this behavior then? nt mhatrw Apr 2016 #57
Wonder what would happen if zentrum Apr 2016 #7
You would be turned away. True Blue American Apr 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author PotatoChip Apr 2016 #10
New York doesn't. annabanana Apr 2016 #39
I don't trust ANYONE at this point... ReRe Apr 2016 #12
It is true for elections in every state liberal N proud Apr 2016 #17
OK ReRe Apr 2016 #20
Save the dime, read it here liberal N proud Apr 2016 #45
This is what the law states in Missouri and Illinois Loki Apr 2016 #21
I was a polling volunteer here in OH greiner3 Apr 2016 #35
Please see post #2 and #33 in this thread because this is making for contradictory information. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #44
They are just idiots liberal N proud Apr 2016 #46
both posters are idiots? again. confused. clarify please and thanks. eom Hiraeth Apr 2016 #47
Sorry just the ones who are posting perposterous ideas liberal N proud Apr 2016 #48
You should be an informed voter, no matter who you are voting for. Loki Apr 2016 #24
this is the law in NC as well. nt retrowire Apr 2016 #14
And in New Hampshire n/t sarge43 Apr 2016 #18
K & R mac56 Apr 2016 #16
I would be sorely tempted noamnety Apr 2016 #19
Yes! n/t ReRe Apr 2016 #23
Living in Washington state, Khellendross Apr 2016 #22
I wish we could all have mail in voting. Loki Apr 2016 #25
I practice home nudity greiner3 Apr 2016 #36
No one will be turned away for wearing political gear. JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #26
Dumb idea. How else can we disenfranchise you??? Gomez163 Apr 2016 #27
Here it it is........................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #28
Kinda off topic but a little funny and advice Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #30
Better idea: Wear things that can be easily removed and hidden. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #37
Always better to be safe, than sorry. SoapBox Apr 2016 #38
Well if LOTS of people wore Bernie gear and the vote came out for Hillary people might start to Skwmom Apr 2016 #41
I've been voting for a fairly long time, Loki Apr 2016 #49
I read today that "at least six" states LiberalElite Apr 2016 #50
Missouri should be on that list as well Loki Apr 2016 #52
Voting machines are a problem. n/t Skwmom Apr 2016 #53
just don't wear ANY cloths MFM008 Apr 2016 #51

LiberalArkie

(16,308 posts)
1. Here is another one.. They say new Twitter and FaceBook people are saying to go with all the gear on
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apr 2016
Please spread the word to all New York voters that they are not allowed to wear or bring anything with Bernie on it. It is "passive electioneering" and they will be turned away! Trolls have been blowing up Twitter and Facebook encouraging this.




https://www.reddit.com/r/NewYorkForSanders/comments/4f8cih/on_primary_day_do_not_wear_any_bernie_gear/

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
2. However if you are married to one of the candidates and wish to take a bullhorn INSIDE
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

the polling place, this is perfectly permissible.

JohnnyRingo

(19,266 posts)
54. Are you sure that's what happened?
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

...or is that what you heard from the internet outrage machine?

Certainly Clinton was never punished for campaigning inside the 100 foot barrier, but the right wing always resorts to calling him "Slick Willy" to explain away their meritless accusations.

Bill Clinton was outside the barrier:

JohnnyRingo

(19,266 posts)
56. He never took a bullhorn inside a polling place
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

The still I posted was taken from the video that people were using here as proof that Clinton was "campaigning" with a bullhorn inside a polling place in Massachusetts a couple months ago. You saying that Clinton was using that bullhorn inside the building is the most absurd and laughable accusation yet.

Other than that, there's no law that prevents anyone from walking into a voting precinct. Free country, remember? Still, he never went inside and yelled at people with a megaphone. Try picturing such a stunt as the ex president held up a bullhorn and blasted people standing a couple feet away trying to vote. That doesn't even work in your dreams.

I'm sorry you hate Hillary so much, but let's say my bias causes me to see Bill Clinton adhering to election laws in this image, while yours sees him on the other side of the tape, breaking laws for which he mysteriously wasn't charged. It's like that blue/gold dress.

yellerpup

(12,263 posts)
3. When I was a NY elections inspector
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

this was a rule we enforced regularly in every election. To prevent voter disenfranchisement we suggested that those wearing merchandise with the candidates name turn their shirts inside out while voting. Electioneering is not allowed.

greymouse

(872 posts)
4. or they could just take their clothes off.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016


Reminds me of when "ladies" were not supposed to wear pantsuits. Some snotty restaurant wanted to refuse service to such a person "No pants allowed for ladies" so she took them off

1monster

(11,026 posts)
15. I remember that! She was wearing a tunic length top, which
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:04 AM
Apr 2016

was about the length of a micro mini dress. Who was it? She was someone famous.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
31. LOL...we are of the same generation
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:44 AM
Apr 2016

and I remember how hideous the early pantsuits were---all polyester and top and bottom the same color...


True Blue American

(18,133 posts)
8. Same here
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

That also includes T shirts with Levy signs on them.

No electioneering within 100 feet of the Polls. We had to send people out. Also, some people crowd in close to the Polls to pass out pamphlets. We ran them off.

yellerpup

(12,263 posts)
34. Had this problem the last time I worked
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016

The Republican captain let a candidate set up a sound truck across the street. I think I was the third inspector they sent out to shoo them off because the R captain was standing in the middle of the street chatting them up and he was a very assertive guy. I made them move back to the marked boundaries where electioneering was allowed. They continued to another precinct.

Mr.Bill

(24,739 posts)
40. Same thing in California.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

I am a precinct inspector here and that rule is enforced, and discussed in training sessions.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
7. Wonder what would happen if
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

….I showed up with a Hillary button. I don't have anything like that and would be hard pressed to wear it—but I wonder.

Bernie supporters should station themselves at polling places and be ready to hand out safety pins and sheets of paper or something like that, that can quickly cover Bernie gear for the duration of the vote taking place.

Response to LiberalArkie (Original post)

ReRe

(10,709 posts)
12. I don't trust ANYONE at this point...
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

...I would call the election board and find out for sure. And if it is true, you might ask them why they haven't blasted this info out to the general public. Is there such a thing as PSA's (Public Service Announcements) anymore?

liberal N proud

(60,916 posts)
45. Save the dime, read it here
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi-jMjc2ZjMAhWJNT4KHeyqBtUQFggqMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elections.ny.gov%2FNYSBOE%2Fdownload%2Flaw%2F2015NYElectionLaw.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEpmxLco69sinrEhQgSejpPZ32jmg


§ 5–204 ELECTION LAW
8.
The inspectors shall act as a board and a majority of them shall decide questions.
9.
While the polls are open no person shall do any electioneering
within the polling place, or within a one hundred foot radial measured from the entrances, designated by the inspectors
of election, to a building where the registration is being conducted. No political banner, poster or placard shall be allowed in or upon the place of registration during any day of registration. Where an oath is required or permitted by this article at any meeting for registration, any inspector may administer it. The inspectors, and each of them, shall preserve good order within and around the place of registration and keep access thereto unobstructed. The board or any member thereof by order in writing may direct the arrest of any person refusing to obey the lawful commands of the inspectors, or guilty of disorderly conduct disturbing their proceedings, or violating, or attempting to violate, any of the provisions of this chapter. Any police officer or peace officer, who is acting pursuant to his special duties, or any person designated by the board shall execute the order.
10.
Persons entitled to register who are on line, or in the polling place, at or before the time fixed by law for closing of registration, shall be allowed to register.

Loki

(3,826 posts)
21. This is what the law states in Missouri and Illinois
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

Electioneering laws in MO and Il
In Missouri, no item endorsing a candidate or issue may be brought within 25 feet of a polling place. That includes shirts, buttons, hats, stickers or any other wearable item that a voter might have on while going to vote.

If someone is wearing one of these items into a polling place, he or she will be asked to remove it or to make sure a shirt's endorsement is not visible -- either by turning the shirt inside out or by covering it with a jacket.

- See more at: https://www.stlbeacon.org/#!/content/13432/no_political_buttons_no_campaign_t_shirts_or_no_voting

Again why don't Bernie supporters think these laws pertain to them?

It was to stop harassment of voters going into the polls.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
35. I was a polling volunteer here in OH
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:47 AM
Apr 2016

And there were signs outside the locations clearly stating NO campaigning within 100 ft and that meant clothing, etc

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
44. Please see post #2 and #33 in this thread because this is making for contradictory information.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:23 PM
Apr 2016

needing clarification, please and Thanks

Loki

(3,826 posts)
24. You should be an informed voter, no matter who you are voting for.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

It's like telling the officer who is giving you a ticket that you were ignorant of the law. It doesn't work that way.

JohnnyRingo

(19,266 posts)
26. No one will be turned away for wearing political gear.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

Unless they're very stubborn anyway.

If someone shows up wearing a candidate's t-shirt, they can simple cover it with an outer
garment or turn it inside out. Buttons can be removed while voting and hats stuffed into pockets. There is no conspiracy to undermine any one candidate.

Like everything on the internet, this issue is being blown out of proportion by the over zealous foil hat crowd.

turbinetree

(25,223 posts)
28. Here it it is...........................
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

3See N.Y. ELEC. LAW § 8-104 (2005) 1. While the polls are open. . . no political banner, button, poster
or placard shall be allowed in or upon the polling place or within such one hundred foot radial


So on that note, wear the t-shirt , button, or whatever in spirit......................................


Honk------------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
30. Kinda off topic but a little funny and advice
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

A few years ago there was a candidate running for either County clerk or county board I can't remember with the Last name Pizza. I wonder what would happen if someone working the polls order pizza for lunch would they have had to cover up the box?



ETA: seriously though, it is a good idea not to wear any campaign attire to the polls & if someone asks you to turn it inside out just do it and don't make a scene because every vote counts and we don't need people being banned from the location.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
38. Always better to be safe, than sorry.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016

And in all states.

Wear the plain stuff and dance happy in your Bernie attire afterwords!


Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
41. Well if LOTS of people wore Bernie gear and the vote came out for Hillary people might start to
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

wonder about the voting machines.

Loki

(3,826 posts)
49. I've been voting for a fairly long time,
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

and electioneering is not allowed. Where have you been? It's not a conspiracy, it's been the law in most states for a very long time. And no, I wouldn't start complaining about the voting machines.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
50. I read today that "at least six" states
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

have such laws. Ny maine montana vermont virginia and kansas. This is hardly most. I agree it isn't new in NY but it's said to be rarely enforced. If they only do it to Sanders supporters I hope there will be Hell to pay. I am increasingly becoming totally disgusted with this broken so called system that is set up to not give a flying fuck about the vast majority of us.

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