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mahatmakanejeeves

(60,931 posts) Tue Nov 23, 2021, 10:41 AM Nov 2021

A statue of Thomas Jefferson has been removed from New York City Hall after a unanimous vote.

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A statue of Thomas Jefferson, who was the third president of the United States, has been removed from New York City Hall after a unanimous vote by a committee, because of his links to the slave trade.

I mean the buried lede here is why was this done by a committee — that is, the unelected Public Design Commission — instead of by debate and a vote by City Council? these labyrinth unelected bureaucracies are outright antithetical to the American ideal

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A statue of Thomas Jefferson has been removed from New York City Hall after a unanimous vote. (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2021 OP

OMG. The lunacy never ends. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #1

This is going to backfire on the "woke" lapfog_1 Nov 2021 #2

Twelve US presidents owned slaves. Sneederbunk Nov 2021 #3

I think we have to come to terms with it. Removing statues deifying confederate leadership-- hlthe2b Nov 2021 #4

I've been in this game a hundred years, and I am seeing Tomconroy Nov 2021 #5

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)

1. OMG. The lunacy never ends.

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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 10:44 AM

Nov 2021

lapfog_1

(30,147 posts)

2. This is going to backfire on the "woke"

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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 10:45 AM

Nov 2021

We are correct to remove the statues of the Confederates, but we shouldn't start going after one of the greatest of our founding fathers, despite his flaws.

Sneederbunk

(15,102 posts)

3. Twelve US presidents owned slaves.

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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 10:47 AM

Nov 2021

hlthe2b

(106,335 posts)

4. I think we have to come to terms with it. Removing statues deifying confederate leadership--

Reply to Sneederbunk (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 23, 2021, 10:58 AM

Nov 2021

those who fought to destroy this country-- is one thing (and I agree that those should be returned to the civil war memorials and related museums, rather than the public spaces of honor).

That said, I just cannot justify conflating the founders of this country, despite their serious failings, to remove them as well. True context presented around those memorials and statues is the way to present history, IMO. Both the good and the bad.

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)

5. I've been in this game a hundred years, and I am seeing

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Tue Nov 23, 2021, 11:04 AM

Nov 2021

Ways of losing that I have never seen before.

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