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Rhiannon12866

(222,072 posts)
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 04:25 AM Aug 2023

Proud Boys briefly gather in Saratoga on Whitney Day - Albany Times Union

About 30 members of the far-right group assembled on Broadway Saturday afternoon in an impromptu demonstration

SARATOGA SPRINGS — A group of apparent members of the far-right Proud Boys extremist group gathered briefly on Broadway Saturday afternoon. Witness also saw members of the group in Ballston Spa and Waterford later in the day.

Video posted to Facebook showed about 30 masked members of the group wearing black and yellow clothing bearing the group's name standing at a measure of attention while the "Star Spangled Banner" played off-screen.

Another video showed the group standing in an intersection holding American and anti-Biden flags aloft as Jason Aldean's "Try That in a Small Town" played behind them.

There was no visible police presence at the gathering. Saratoga Springs Public Safety Commissioner James Montagnino said that his office had not received any notice that the group was planning to assemble. "We didn’t have any prior notice," Montagnino said. "The whole thing was done in a matter of minutes. We have regular patrols and there was nothing that called out for intervention."

A yellow Dodge pickup truck with a sign saying "Law and Order" above the cab and American flags in the bed was illegally double parked on Broadway during the demonstration.

The group appeared peaceful and largely non-disruptive, according to photos and video reviewed by the Times Union.

The Anti-Defamation League describes the Proud Boys as: " a right-wing extremist group with a violent agenda. They are primarily misogynistic, Islamophobic, transphobic and anti-immigration. Some members espouse white supremacist and anti-Semitic ideologies and/or engage with white supremacist groups."

Members of the group nationally took part in the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, with four leaders of the group being convicted of seditious conspiracy charges earlier this year.

Saturday was one of the biggest days in the Saratoga summer calendar, with the Whitney Stakes drawing thousands to the city and race track.

"There didn't seem to be any need for any major calling up of additional personnel," Montagnino said.

Saratoga Black Lives Matter leader Lexis Figuereo blasted Montagnino's response to the gathering, citing the heavy police response that his group has received when it has demonstrated on Broadway.

He also questioned why the duration of the gathering should have had any bearing on an official response from the city. "It was okay because it was short and that's why he felt no need to do something about it?," Figuereo said.

Figuereo said he believed the men who gathered on Broadway had come from out of town. "This is a white supremacist gang and hate group," he said.

Montagnino said he had not been in touch with Mayor Ron Kim about the impromptu gathering; a message for Kim left by the Times Union was not immediately returned Sunday.



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Proud Boys briefly gather in Saratoga on Whitney Day - Albany Times Union (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 OP
That is Stefanik's area I believe. pwb Aug 2023 #1
We were redistricted in 2013 and 2020, Saratoga remains in District 20, the North Country is District 21 Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #4
Thank heavens for small mercies peppertree Aug 2023 #10
I live north of Saratoga now, we were still District 20 until 2013 Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #11
Oh - so she is your congresscritter. I misundrerstood. peppertree Aug 2023 #17
Yup, and I can sympathize, she's become a national embarrassment. Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #19
That's their idea of democracy for you peppertree Aug 2023 #21
I always thought Saratoga springs and the races were a bastion of rich, white folk. Ligyron Aug 2023 #2
This is how it starts. marble falls Aug 2023 #3
But that's only one month of the year when the city is besieged with visitors Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #5
Ah, got it, thanks! Ligyron Aug 2023 #6
Racing season used to be strictly the month of August, but now it starts at the end of July Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #7
This is changing.... RSherman Aug 2023 #8
I know that there's been a serious homeless problem, but every time there's a suggestion for housing Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #13
You're right! RSherman Aug 2023 #14
Good Grief! A bus stop?? Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #15
I depended on CDTA while attending UAlbany RSherman Aug 2023 #16
I was born in Albany, my Dad grew up there Rhiannon12866 Aug 2023 #18
Nice to live in Lake George! RSherman Aug 2023 #20
Raised in Saratoga and it is not so rich Johonny Aug 2023 #9
We used to have an anti-masking law Historic NY Aug 2023 #12

Rhiannon12866

(222,072 posts)
4. We were redistricted in 2013 and 2020, Saratoga remains in District 20, the North Country is District 21
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 05:04 AM
Aug 2023

And District 21 is Stefanik's district after she was elected in 2015 replacing a moderate Democrat who retired. Democrat Paul Tonko represents District 20 now which includes Saratoga County.

Rhiannon12866

(222,072 posts)
11. I live north of Saratoga now, we were still District 20 until 2013
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 06:31 AM
Aug 2023

Now we're part of District 21. We were initially represented by Bill Owens, a moderate Democrat from up north. But then he retired in 2015 and I liked his chosen successor, Aaron Woolf, made GOTV calls for him - but that's when Stefanik won for the first time and we've been stuck with her ever since. However, when we got redistricted again she no longer lives in the district. She said she'd move if she won in November, but we're still waiting.

After her performance at the impeachment hearings alongside Gym Jordan, billboards went up throughout the district. This was the one I used to pass on my way home:



peppertree

(22,850 posts)
17. Oh - so she is your congresscritter. I misundrerstood.
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 12:18 PM
Aug 2023

I feel your pain.

I live in the eminently forgettable Doug Lamborn's district here in beautiful Colorado Springs.

Lamborn - whom I like to call Dumb-born - is the quintessential backbencher: never a bill, never a word, never an idea - and hardly ever a town hall (hobnobbing with DC lobbyists is more fun, I suppose).

He basically just keeps the seat warm, and votes aye every time McCarthy needs him to. Most locals don't even know he's their congresspod-person.

He did once make the news, at the depths of the pandemic, for allegedly threatening office staffers who wore masks with their jobs if they continued to do so.

Some reportedly came down with Covid, and passed it on to family members - with a possible death or two (though I'm not sure).

But he's gerrymandered for life. A common tale, as you know.

Rhiannon12866

(222,072 posts)
19. Yup, and I can sympathize, she's become a national embarrassment.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 12:10 AM
Aug 2023

Protesters showed up at her headquarters from her first day in office - and she refused to publicize her schedule ahead of time because she knew protesters would show up. Before the last election, she held a rare "telephone" town hall - and we heard that she blocked those who didn't agree with her or had uncomfortable questions. So much for representing the views of constituents!

peppertree

(22,850 posts)
21. That's their idea of democracy for you
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 10:23 AM
Aug 2023

Thanks for sharing those keen insights into Ms. Stuffanik.

Here's hoping for a change for the good people of NY-21. Can't claim to be too familiar with the district - but we did once drive through it with my folks as a kid. Beautiful, amazingly woodsy country; serene too.



Ligyron

(7,890 posts)
2. I always thought Saratoga springs and the races were a bastion of rich, white folk.
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 04:48 AM
Aug 2023

Maybe they felt safe there, idk...

Rhiannon12866

(222,072 posts)
7. Racing season used to be strictly the month of August, but now it starts at the end of July
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 05:20 AM
Aug 2023

And creeps into the beginning of September. Racing season and the huge influx of visitors is very lucrative for the city.

RSherman

(576 posts)
8. This is changing....
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 06:13 AM
Aug 2023

I live nearby and visit often for the shops, garden tour, Yaddo, and Caffe Lena. Times are a changin' in good old Saratoga and they are having a difficult time dealing with it. The wealthy, white crowd can no longer live in their little bubble. All kinds of fights at city council meetings as to how to handle the homeless, panhandlers, guns and fights at bars, having BLM members arrested.


https://www.hillcountryobserver.com/2016news/june2016panhandle.htm

https://q1057.com/saratoga-bar-that-was-shut-down-earlier-this-year-finally-reopens/#:~:text=Just%20in%20time%20for%20track,were%20linked%20to%20the%20bar.

https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/crime/2022/11/21/saratoga-springs-ny-shooting-caroline-street-vermont-sheriff-deputy-wounded/69666295007/

https://ground.news/article/correction-officer-allegedly-found-with-ghost-gun-at-saratoga-springs-bar-works-for-schoharie-county

https://www.news10.com/news/saratoga-county/saratoga-city-leaders-activists-at-odds-over-charges-against-local-blm-leader/

Anecdotally, a friend and I were walking around town on a Tuesday around 11 a.m. during the week of ChowderFest. A man passed us, yelling, ranting, and threatening. A bunch of us cleared the sidewalk. The young man was obviously unwell. When I was at the traffic light at the Route 29 intersection where Stewarts is on the left, I saw a shirtless man wrapped in a sleeping bag standing in front of Stewarts doors.

My friend's sister owns an expensive Italian restaurant in Saratoga. She keeps complaining that old trope "no one wants to work". I asked where someone is supposed to live in or near Saratoga to work a part time job for minimum wage. Most of the former apartments/rental properties are now AirBnBs because the homeowners can make more money that way, especially during track season.

Rhiannon12866

(222,072 posts)
13. I know that there's been a serious homeless problem, but every time there's a suggestion for housing
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 06:41 AM
Aug 2023

No one wants it "near them."

RSherman

(576 posts)
14. You're right!
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 06:49 AM
Aug 2023

I've heard the same info. about the housing. Also, in Guilderland, CDTA wanted to add a bus stop. People need reliable transportation to get to work. But, of course, the residents cried NIMBY (not in my backyard). Serious conversations needed everywhere.

Rhiannon12866

(222,072 posts)
15. Good Grief! A bus stop??
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 06:54 AM
Aug 2023

Glens Falls and Lake George have bus service and a lot of locals rely on it - as do the tourists.

RSherman

(576 posts)
16. I depended on CDTA while attending UAlbany
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 07:01 AM
Aug 2023

I did not have a car while attending UAlbany. I lived downtown and besides college, worked two jobs in Colonie Center. CDTA was a lifesaver.

Again, the same people who keep repeating their mantra "no one wants to work" will also not tackle housing and transportation. It's easier to blame the poor and struggling than to solve the problem.

Rhiannon12866

(222,072 posts)
18. I was born in Albany, my Dad grew up there
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 12:03 AM
Aug 2023

And my mother didn't drive until we moved to the rural north end of Lake George (on the side of a mountain!) when she had no choice but to learn. Plus, they only had the one car which my Dad took to work. So when I was little, we also took buses - I still remember exactly where the bus stop was, right across the main road from where we lived.

RSherman

(576 posts)
20. Nice to live in Lake George!
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 07:08 AM
Aug 2023

We grew up camping/boating on Sacandaga Lake until my parents finally bought a camp there. They finally built a house on the property. So far, the little towns on Sacandaga: Northville, Mayfield, Broadalbin, etc., remain fairly quiet and not as commercialized as the main drag in Lake George.

Johonny

(22,038 posts)
9. Raised in Saratoga and it is not so rich
Tue Aug 8, 2023, 06:18 AM
Aug 2023

About 20 years ago. The main city now has a lot of money about as the town is vastly revitized, but the surrounding area is poor racist and GOP. Saratoga has always been Republicansl area money or no money.

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