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Related: About this forumJohn Fetterman says he's 'not a progressive' as he breaks from left wing on Israel, immigration
New comments by Pennsylvania's freshman senator were his most explicit rhetorical break from a wing of the Democratic Party that has long supported himPittsburgh Post-Gazette link: https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2023/12/15/john-fetterman-progressive-israel-immigration/stories/202312150092
But as the freshman Democratic senator wraps up his first year in Washington, his breaks with progressive allies are bursting into clearer view, especially in his staunch support for Israels war against Hamas and his openness to joining Republicans in supporting an immigration crackdown.
Im not a progressive, Mr. Fetterman told NBC News in an interview that published Friday. I just think Im a Democrat that is very committed to choice and other things. But with Israel, Im going to be on the right side of that. And immigration is something near and dear to me, and I think we do have to effectively address it as well.
His assertion that hes not a progressive was his most explicit rhetorical break from a wing of the Democratic Party that has long supported him. But it was only the most recent.
Well maybe he's right. If the people who call themselves "progressive" are going around rooting for Hamas, then I'm not a "progressive" either. However I am still a liberal, and I know Big John Fetterman more liberal than most of us.
bucolic_frolic
(46,998 posts)This will attract Independents and a few old time Republicans.
ShazzieB
(18,673 posts)Same here. But like you, I am definitely still a liberal, and I'm sure Big John is.
Think. Again.
(17,994 posts)...for clarification, do you believe all Progressives are pro-hamas?
ShazzieB
(18,673 posts)I'd like to think not. My earlier reply was just to say that IF that's the definition of a progressive, it doesn't fit me.
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(17,994 posts)Think. Again.
(17,994 posts)...He has a strong progressive following, and by declaring that he is not a 'progressive', but that he is a Democrat that leans far left, he might slow the flow of left-leaning voters away from the Democratic party vote and strengthen Biden's chances while weakening third party chances.
I'm also glad he clarified that his 'pro-Israel' position is a right-leaning position, despite his support for it:
"But with Israel, Im going to be on the right side of that. "
And he never explained what he meant by his immigration stance, I know his wife immigrated from Brazil...
FakeNoose
(35,689 posts)Think. Again.
(17,994 posts)...by declaring he is firmly a Democrat, and not a Progressive, he is pulling his far-left ideology into the "Big Tent" where every vote matters.
I sincerely hope other far-left voters will be willing to move a little toward the center, at least for this coming election, so we don't suffer the same fate as in 2016.
TwilightZone
(28,833 posts)He's left-of-center. The US doesn't really have much of a far-left contingent. Even Democratic socialism, as espoused by Bernie Sanders, et al, is center-left.
The DSA is probably the closest there is to far-left in the US. They support overthrowing the capitalist system and replacing it with socialism. They only have about 70,000 members, however, so they're not much of a political force (their claims to the contrary notwithstanding), though they tend to be rather vocal.
Think. Again.
(17,994 posts)...as it exists, does have a far left, a far right, and everything in between.
Thats how spectrums work.
The postions of those left and right extremes shift, as does the center, with changing public views, and for the last few decades it has all been shifting to the right, moving the center to the right with it.
It is not a static system at all.
Fetterman could definitely be considered far left within our current spectrum.
And speaking of working to correct the harms of capitalism, have you read about his wife's work in that arena? Great stuff...
From: https://www.forgoodpgh.org/gisele-fetterman
Groundhawg
(935 posts)Think. Again.
(17,994 posts)...and I believe Fetterman is standing with his principles (even if I don't agree with him about supporting netanyahu).
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(17,994 posts)" If the people who call themselves "progressive" are going around rooting for Hamas, then I'm not a "progressive" either."
For clarification, do you believe all Progressives are pro-hamas?
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