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TexasTowelie

(116,433 posts)
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 03:42 AM Nov 2023

Texas secessionists feel more emboldened than ever

WACO — Standing in front of a massive state flag on Saturday, Claver Kamau-Imani outlined his utopian vision of a Nation of Texas that he believes is just on the horizon.

No taxes or Faucis, no speed zones or toll roads. No liberals, no gun laws. No windmills, no poor people. A separate currency, stock market and gold depository. “Complete control of our own immigration policy.” World-class college football, a farewell to regulators. And unthinkable, unimaginable wealth.

“We are going to be so rich,” he chanted. “We’re gonna be rich. We are gonna be rich. We. Are. Going. To Be. Rich! … As soon as we declare independence, we're going to be wealthy. I personally believe that our personal GDP will double in five to seven years.”

“The independence of Texas is good for humanity as a whole,” he added to cheers.

Read more: https://www.texastribune.org/2023/11/15/texas-secession-texit/

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Texas secessionists feel more emboldened than ever (Original Post) TexasTowelie Nov 2023 OP
Good. They can take care of their own Hurricanes and tornadoes jpak Nov 2023 #1
The texholes can't even manage to pull off a functional power grid Axelrods_Typewriter Nov 2023 #2
A texitier SLClarke Nov 2023 #38
It's a great state to assassinate a Democratic Submariner Nov 2023 #3
Buh bye! Grumpy Old Guy Nov 2023 #4
Take pity on us liberal hostages nt Xipe Totec Nov 2023 #5
Pity for TX liberals? Paladin Nov 2023 #25
DU thinks Texans are all one monolithic bloc. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #40
Most of the people promoting this nonsense TexasTowelie Nov 2023 #43
Agreed. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #44
Another ridiculous sideshow. Think. Again. Nov 2023 #6
Cut him some slack, his speech was way more convincing in the original Russian (Nt) FreepFryer Nov 2023 #7
Touch'e! jaxexpat Nov 2023 #8
LOL.... Idiots. This is not going to happen, this is the silliest thing I've read lately. ashredux Nov 2023 #9
He learned nothing Old Crank Nov 2023 #10
Did he really say: AverageOldGuy Nov 2023 #11
Pay your share of the national debt on the way out. keithbvadu2 Nov 2023 #12
Better headline: Texas secessionists act more stupid and insane than ever! ananda Nov 2023 #13
Also no entrance into the US without a passport (which should never be granted) not to mention the cstanleytech Nov 2023 #14
I'd add visa requirements on top of having a passport. n/t Vogon_Glory Nov 2023 #18
No need for either if the border is essentially sealed. cstanleytech Nov 2023 #23
One thing that gets overlooked Old Crank Nov 2023 #15
Good grief moose65 Nov 2023 #16
By God we're so darn proud to be from Texas - yahoo! Clash City Rocker Nov 2023 #30
Aww, I'd forgotten about the Texas Lounge Lizards! intheflow Nov 2023 #32
I can't stop laughing Charging Triceratops Nov 2023 #17
Who would they even play? BigOleDummy Nov 2023 #21
Texas wont have to worry about building a wall to keep immigrants out 70sEraVet Nov 2023 #19
No hildegaard28 Nov 2023 #20
No Medicare, no SS, no federal spending in TX Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #22
Under what Constitution do they think they can secede? CaptainTruth Nov 2023 #24
So when this happens all Texans now residing in other states will be immediately deported? DBoon Nov 2023 #26
They would have to decide what citizenship Old Crank Nov 2023 #27
How many companies will leave? LiberalFighter Nov 2023 #37
A good question. Old Crank Nov 2023 #45
Boris Johnson was a fool for not having another vote on Brexit. LiberalFighter Nov 2023 #47
You morons tried this in 1835 CanonRay Nov 2023 #28
Secessionists intelpug Nov 2023 #29
They'll be coming for your Black ass, Kamau-Imani, just as soon as they win intheflow Nov 2023 #31
Please... k0rs Nov 2023 #33
We just left the state (for blue pastures) for good in September. I'll enjoy watching this shitshow from the outside. Scalded Nun Nov 2023 #34
I have some of these idiots living across the street from me. Susan Calvin Nov 2023 #35
And again I say: Give up on the "sympathy for Texas liberals" thing. Paladin Nov 2023 #39
Oh, so have I. Susan Calvin Nov 2023 #46
What is the likelihood that Mexican Cartels overrun them and take over? LiberalFighter Nov 2023 #36
The cartels don't want Texas: they want Texan's dollars. marble falls Nov 2023 #42
It would be worth leaving this hell hole just to see how quick they could turn it into "road warrior." marble falls Nov 2023 #41
Madmax wearing a cowboy hat! DUar17 Nov 2023 #48
2. The texholes can't even manage to pull off a functional power grid
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:13 AM
Nov 2023

Not to mention the political unknown quantity that would result from this would cause many businesses to pull out and go to the US. Y'know, where there are government entities protecting the global trade of those businesses. Instead of the wild west where you have to generate your own power like you're a MASH unit. And where you would be swiftly blockaded and sanctioned because the state you were located in tried to secede. Like the last time some states decided to secede and they were blockaded.

Or, maybe the businesses would try to stay (or be forced to) and cease to exist. Can't keep selling the same crap to each-other, eventually you run out of customers and/or raw materials.

But good luck with your fantasy of being rich. Methinks the Texas dollar would be about as valuable as a 20 year old bottle of Bosco stored in a hot attic.

Oh, you aren't a nation either. You're a state with a bunch of self-congratulatory propaganda. Even heroin dealers know not to get high on their own supply!

Submariner

(12,629 posts)
3. It's a great state to assassinate a Democratic
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:23 AM
Nov 2023

president and get away with it. So the the secessionists will always be proud to wave that “We’re Number 1” banner.

TwilightZone

(28,314 posts)
40. DU thinks Texans are all one monolithic bloc.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:13 PM
Nov 2023

Not all of DU, of course, but nuance and context aren't exactly our strong suits.

We can stereotype as well as anyone, though!

I also wish people would understand that this is never going to happen.

First, it's settled law and has been since 1869.

Second, because the actual support in the state has always been pretty low, usually in the 10-15% range. You can get 10% of people to agree to almost anything. These secessionist clowns are a small minority, but a loud one.

TexasTowelie

(116,433 posts)
43. Most of the people promoting this nonsense
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:54 PM
Nov 2023

have no comprehension of the devastating economic consequences this will have if it ever occurred again.

TwilightZone

(28,314 posts)
44. Agreed.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 08:19 PM
Nov 2023

It's the same kind of mentality that leads to people thinking that they could defend themselves from the government with their AR15s, if it came to that. They can't look any further than the surface or their dreams of how that would play out would run into a brick wall.

They're also some of the same people who have a fantasyland view of the Civil War.

ashredux

(2,696 posts)
9. LOL.... Idiots. This is not going to happen, this is the silliest thing I've read lately.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:15 AM
Nov 2023

This is kind of like some form of political cosplay…..

Old Crank

(4,537 posts)
10. He learned nothing
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:16 AM
Nov 2023

From Brexit.

No taxes? Hows that going to work?
I did note the world class college football.

AverageOldGuy

(1,962 posts)
11. Did he really say:
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:17 AM
Nov 2023

"You are going to win so much, you will get tired of winning!!" ???

Meanwhile, how about the federal government:

1. Close ALL FEDERAL INSTALLATIONS AND OPERATIONS IN TEXAS, thereby removing from Texas the multi-billion $$$$ federal payrolls.
2. No longer make Medicare or Medicaid payments to Texas doctors, clinics, or hospitals.
3. Require any Texan entering another state have a Texas passport and be treated as an alien.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

cstanleytech

(26,915 posts)
14. Also no entrance into the US without a passport (which should never be granted) not to mention the
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:39 AM
Nov 2023

prices for food and other items that they import from anywhere west of North America would skyrocket.
Edit: Also a massive loss of jobs since companies with factories there might have problems operating if they can't get supplies delivered in a timely manner as all trade between the US and Texas would be cut off.

Old Crank

(4,537 posts)
15. One thing that gets overlooked
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:56 AM
Nov 2023

By these crazies is the 18(?) US military bases that would shut down, let alone the space center. 30% of the Texas budget comes from the feds.

moose65

(3,285 posts)
16. Good grief
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 07:02 AM
Nov 2023

I am constantly amazed by these people who love America so much that they want to secede.

No taxes? How will they pay for those roads that won’t have speed zones? How will they pay for police and fire departments, or for border control agents?

They know this will never happen. They’re just running their mouths and stirring people up. It sounds like they want to secede but keep all the financial support of the United States. That’s not how it works, folks!

Clash City Rocker

(3,539 posts)
30. By God we're so darn proud to be from Texas - yahoo!
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:46 PM
Nov 2023

Even of our pride we're proud and we're proud of that pride, too!
Our pride about our home state is the proudest pride indeed.
And we're proud to be Americans, until we can secede.

intheflow

(28,841 posts)
32. Aww, I'd forgotten about the Texas Lounge Lizards!
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 01:57 PM
Nov 2023

Saw them in Boston in the late '80s or early '90s. Very funny band!

BigOleDummy

(2,274 posts)
21. Who would they even play?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:35 AM
Nov 2023

lol, "world class college football" ..... how? All they could play would be other texas schools.
Welcome to DU btw!

70sEraVet

(4,122 posts)
19. Texas wont have to worry about building a wall to keep immigrants out
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 08:54 AM
Nov 2023

They'll have to build a wall to keep their own citizens IN!
No taxes means no social safety net.
No federal regulations means no minimum wage, no child labor laws, etc.
There will be a few rich people ( most likely those who are ALREADY rich), and everybody else will want the hell out of there!

hildegaard28

(395 posts)
20. No
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:29 AM
Nov 2023

Social security for Texans, either, if they successfully secede. Lol at the idiot who things they're all going to be rich if it happens.

CaptainTruth

(7,170 posts)
24. Under what Constitution do they think they can secede?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:13 AM
Nov 2023

There's no mechanism in the US Constitution that allows unilateral secession. Texas has already been told that by SCOTUS, see Texas v White 1868.

Of course they don't care about the Constitution.

DBoon

(22,990 posts)
26. So when this happens all Texans now residing in other states will be immediately deported?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:20 AM
Nov 2023

Can't have any illegal immigrants in the USA

Old Crank

(4,537 posts)
27. They would have to decide what citizenship
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:27 AM
Nov 2023

To hold. No duals. If they go with Texas they will need to apply for a work permit or a green card.

Old Crank

(4,537 posts)
45. A good question.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:05 PM
Nov 2023

I'm in Germany and have been watching the Brexit machinations.
Country borders cause trade friction unless you have a trade agreement like being an EU member.
Some small companies have stopped their export business to the EU because of regulatory compliance costs. Then all goods coming from Texas would have to meet US standards, including food items, be subject to checks at border crossings, probably WTO* tariffs unless negotiated lower.
Large financial companies in England set up offices in the EU to make their business easier. They would have to negotiate trade agreements with every country or trade group, EU, or operate under WTO rules.
Manufacturing would have to make widgets to any new Texas standards, and get export ones made to US standards. These empty cowboy hats don't have a farting clue.

* WTO. World Trade Organization

LiberalFighter

(53,431 posts)
47. Boris Johnson was a fool for not having another vote on Brexit.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 12:00 PM
Nov 2023

I think it would had been reversed after more people understood the consequences.

intheflow

(28,841 posts)
31. They'll be coming for your Black ass, Kamau-Imani, just as soon as they win
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 01:55 PM
Nov 2023

and don't need your token support any more. The idiocy of this guy - completely ignorant of Texas history, apparently.

k0rs

(89 posts)
33. Please...
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 02:14 PM
Nov 2023

...go.

You'll need visas as passports to enter Colorado. Won't be able to own land or houses here. He's right, it will be excellent. Aaaannd, you can't come here for abortions.

Scalded Nun

(1,330 posts)
34. We just left the state (for blue pastures) for good in September. I'll enjoy watching this shitshow from the outside.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 03:15 PM
Nov 2023

Susan Calvin

(2,024 posts)
35. I have some of these idiots living across the street from me.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:14 PM
Nov 2023

They recently replaced their Trump flag with a Texas Independence flag.

As someone said upthread, please have some sympathy for Texas liberals. I'd love to get out, myself, but it is not possible.

Paladin

(28,717 posts)
39. And again I say: Give up on the "sympathy for Texas liberals" thing.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 05:06 PM
Nov 2023

There's never a shortage of "liberals" at DU who delight in condemning each and every citizen of the State of Texas, in the vilest and most hateful terms possible. Trust me on this, I've been seeing it for decades.

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