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pnwmom

(109,466 posts)
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 10:52 PM Oct 2023

Boeing retirees are being pushed into a Medicare Advantage plan run by Aetna.

Last edited Mon Oct 16, 2023, 11:36 PM - Edit history (1)

I've heard about this from people in different parts of Boeing. They've sent a letter saying that retirees will lose their current supplement plan and will automatically be put in the Medicare Advantage plan unless they find another plan and notify Boeing.

This is why Medicare Advantage has been growing so quickly, with large corporations pushing their retirees in these plans.

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Boeing retirees are being pushed into a Medicare Advantage plan run by Aetna. (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2023 OP
Our local Clinic sent out letters cilla4progress Oct 2023 #1
Are you with Optimum? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2023 #11
I am a N.J. state public employee retiree. We have Aetna Med Adv. 3Hotdogs Oct 2023 #2
What I don't like is that people are being switched into it automatically pnwmom Oct 2023 #4
Advantage Plans vary as much as PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2023 #8
The point is you CHOSE to take a chance on that plan. Boeing retirees are being automatically pnwmom Oct 2023 #9
That has also happened to me. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2023 #16
$25 or $7,025? Jen206 Nov 2023 #20
I paid $25.00. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2023 #21
Don't they have the option to switch to regular Medicare? MichMan Oct 2023 #15
Only if they happened to open that single envelope and then can figure out how to act on it. pnwmom Oct 2023 #18
IBM pushed their retirees into a United Healthcare Advantage plan last year. sinkingfeeling Oct 2023 #3
Boeing employees used to have plans that rivaled the cops. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #5
Not a Boeing employee, but I'd like to get "pushed" into that plan. Silent Type Oct 2023 #6
Even though that means you're getting dumped from a perfectly good Premara supplement plan? pnwmom Oct 2023 #7
Aetna Plans have two sides to them.. Postal Grunt Oct 2023 #10
Thank you for sharing this! pnwmom Oct 2023 #12
A wise choice pnw!! If it looks to good to be true it probably is PortTack Oct 2023 #14
All Medicare advantage plans are designed to bankrupt Medicare. So far it's working PortTack Oct 2023 #13
That's a pretty broad statement. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2023 #17
Here ya go PortTack Oct 2023 #19

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(114,562 posts)
11. Are you with Optimum?
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 12:31 AM
Oct 2023

I received one of those from them. They recently took over the Everett Clinic.

I have my Part D with my former employer and prefer that.

3Hotdogs

(13,327 posts)
2. I am a N.J. state public employee retiree. We have Aetna Med Adv.
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 11:04 PM
Oct 2023

I've had it for several years now. I am happy with it.

pnwmom

(109,466 posts)
4. What I don't like is that people are being switched into it automatically
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 11:14 PM
Oct 2023

unless they happen to see a single letter and find a new policy on their own.

I have heard too many stories about specialists not being covered, or procedures being disallowed by the insurance company. I want medical decisions to be made by me and my doctor, not an insurer.

But I'm glad it's worked out for you. Hopefully you won't have any surprises down the road.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,576 posts)
8. Advantage Plans vary as much as
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 11:57 PM
Oct 2023

all other health care plans.

My Advantage Plan has not denied me specialists or procedures. I pay $25.00 for any visit. My heart attack three years ago was almost entirely covered. I think I may have had to pay about $300.00 for an $80,000 hospital bill. A couple of months ago, I tripped and fell, broke an arm. The emergency room visit cost me $25.00. The total bill I saw later was about $7,000.

Yeah, Advantage Plans are terrible.

pnwmom

(109,466 posts)
9. The point is you CHOSE to take a chance on that plan. Boeing retirees are being automatically
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 12:17 AM
Oct 2023

switched, and I think they should have had more of a heads up. Also, that Boeing should explain to them what the alternatives are, since they've just dumped them from an excellent supplement plan.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,576 posts)
16. That has also happened to me.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 11:52 AM
Oct 2023

My husband's company some year's back decided to change health plans, and we had to get all new doctors. Not at all fun. Fortunately, a year later they went back to the old one, and we thankfully went back to original doctors.

Most working people have little or no choice in what health care plan they have, since their company makes that decision.

Jen206

(1 post)
20. $25 or $7,025?
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 05:58 PM
Nov 2023

So you paid $25, or you paid $25 then later 7k? My aunt is 91 and Boeing is moving her from insurance that was GREAT with her $100,000 hospitalization last year, to th Advantage plan. The paperwork they sent says max $800 out of pocket but I worry there is fine print that isn't convered in the 2 page flyer they sent about the plan.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,576 posts)
21. I paid $25.00.
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 07:46 PM
Nov 2023

Apparently, the actual bill was $7,000 or so, but I paid a whopping $25.00.

I guess that's why Advantage Plans are so terrible.

pnwmom

(109,466 posts)
18. Only if they happened to open that single envelope and then can figure out how to act on it.
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 01:06 PM
Oct 2023

Many people will probably find out they've been switched when it's too late.

Silent Type

(6,155 posts)
6. Not a Boeing employee, but I'd like to get "pushed" into that plan.
Mon Oct 16, 2023, 11:27 PM
Oct 2023

Hope it works out for Boeing employees, though.

Postal Grunt

(232 posts)
10. Aetna Plans have two sides to them..
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 12:19 AM
Oct 2023

in that there are some good benefits such as gym memberships connected to the "Silver Sneakers" program, dental care benefits that pay for cleaning your teeth twice a year, a vision care benefit, and other features that are similar to other advantage plans. The bad side raises its ugly head should you need hospitalization or rehabilitation care. Then you need to prepare to appeal their denials on a regular basis. Their first impulse is to say no when your doctor says you need more time or medical professionals' care. It's really aggravating because they say that their medical professionals have determined that you don't need that care, professionals that only read the case file and have never met you or your physicians. You can plan on spending a lot of time on the phone trying to make your appeals or appeal for your spouse. I was fine with the plan when I didn't need much from Aetna but when the chips were down, they were cold blooded a__holes. Anyone who is looking at an Aetna plan should be careful and realistic about their future health care needs. Especially important is to have help when dealing with an insurance company and their minions. Otherwise, a Medicare Advantage program could be hazardous to your health.

pnwmom

(109,466 posts)
12. Thank you for sharing this!
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 12:35 AM
Oct 2023

This has been my fear, especially after reading about the Federal investigation of how MA plans are wrongfully denying claims. I'd rather skip the freebies and know that the plan would back us and our doctors on the decisions for our medical care.

PortTack

(34,408 posts)
19. Here ya go
Tue Oct 17, 2023, 11:15 PM
Oct 2023

there are mounting concerns about excess payments to health plans that aren't supported by patients' medical records, and are in some cases potentially fraudulent. The Biden administration is already working to claw back $4.7 billion of overpayments despite objections from the insurance industry.
Increased MA spending as enrollment grows puts pressure on a system that's quickly running out of funds, and raises premiums for enrollees in both traditional Medicare and MA.

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/16/medicare-advantage-enrollment-growth

They are paying [Medicare Advantage plans] way more than they should," says Kronick, who served as deputy assistant secretary for health policy in the Department of Health and Human Services during the Obama administration.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/11/11/1054281885/medicare-advantage-overcharges-exploding

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