The thought of China having any sort of control over our ports or basically anything that we should have control over, sends cold chills up my spine. I'm no fan of our current govt, but sucking up to China in order to keep them interested in our barley, beef, wine and other stuff just isn't worth it. I think we should find other markets, cut off the iron ore supplies and see how China likes it when that happens

Oh, and thank fucking god Covid happened and my local supermarket is no longer infested with Daiguo. I had a friend who couldn't get formula for her bub because the shelves were empty coz of the personal shoppers. I'm sure it's not great for the companies, but I prefer it this way...

The Chinese influence in the economic affairs of other countries certainly has repercussions. Americans have become addicted to low price consumer goods from China with the price being the loss of jobs in manufacturing, textiles, and IT. The Chinese have also interjected their economic might into Africa and the Latin American countries. It's never a good idea to allow a foreign country to build up a substantial share in important economic sectors, but the Chinese have been more flagrant about using their influence than other countries.

I'm afraid that China is going to raise the tensions across several nations in the Asia/Oceania/Australia region.

I think it's the USA thats raising tensions in the region by flooding Australia with missiles and soldiers in establishing another army base to conduct war "games" and alllow B52 type bomber fitted with nuclear warheads to be located Australian soil.

You might be reading Pravda and watching RT too much.

https://www.defence.gov.au/foi/docs/disclosures/421_1213_Documents.pdf

On page one the Australian government declares its desire for nuclear disarmament in the first paragraph. Also in that paragraph they declare the because the world is not disarming, Australia's defense security "benefits from extended nuclear deterrence under the US alliance".

Very fucking clearly: if there are US nuclear weapons in Australia, they are there with the express knowledge and support of the Australian government. Anyone saying otherwise is sadly misinformed or maliciously misinforming.

Please widen your reading list.


BTW: how's the pizza in Australia?

Maybe you ought to just call out your argument because I don't have a clue where you're headed with this.

... don't collapse is "yellow peril".

Explain why there more Chinese coming to Australia or the US than all westerners moving to China put together.

Explain how your crap responds to whether the US has nuclear weapons "hidden" on Australia that the Australian government doesn't know about or wants removed.

all this is because we dont see chinese bombs and weapons and Chinese’s troops occupying
Ozzie land

I mean all the false panic about the Chinese. It’s not as if they have as above like the Americans do in australia

Secondly, the part you keep ignoring is: The Australians get to invite who they want - in this case, if Americans are there, they were invited. The Chinese it seems were "included out".

Explain your problem with Australia inviting who they want to be there.

Troops bombs weapons nuclear armed warships and occupation. Who would want that?

... them?

In case you forgot:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1086&pid=1466

You might be reading Pravda and watching RT too much.

https://www.defence.gov.au/foi/docs/disclosures/421_1213_Documents.pdf

On page one the Australian government declares its desire for nuclear disarmament in the first paragraph. Also in that paragraph they declare the because the world is not disarming, Australia's defense security "benefits from extended nuclear deterrence under the US alliance".

Very fucking clearly: if there are US nuclear weapons in Australia, they are there with the express knowledge and support of the Australian government. Anyone saying otherwise is sadly misinformed or maliciously misinforming.

Please widen your reading list.

that provides services to the US, UK, and Australian military and an intelligence gathering station. There are no "occupation" forces in Australia. There are no US forces of any kind in Australia that are not there at the invitation of Australia.

Australia is a representative democracy. If the people of Australia wanted all US assets to leave, it would happen. At this point, the people of Australia recognize that their alliance with the US and UK protects them from Chinese ambitions. The other side of that coin is that Australia being aligned with the world's democracies is unwanted by China.

Democrats, and be extension DU, generally support democracies around the world and oppose autocracies like China. If you are a supporter of China, you may not be on the correct discussion site.

First, there are no US Army forces in Australia. There are US Navy personnel in Australia but no Army units.

Second, if a majority of Australians did not want foreign forces in Australia, they would not be there. That is how representative democracies work.

Third, you are assuming the people of Australia are stupid. The presence of US and UK forces in Australia are known to the Australian people. If they are not discussed in Parliament, it is because there is no movement to change the status quo.

Fourth, you are assuming the existence of a conspiracy by the US and some unidentified dark force in Australia to suppress knowledge of the supposed US occupation from the Australia people. Recourse to such conspiracy theory establishes that your position is free of facts.

I'll show you my cards. I'm a US Democrat and a retired US Army officer. Now show us your cards. Are you PLA or CPA?

The English expression is "if you must know," not "if you just know." An fluent English speaker would write, "The Australian public is kept in the dark...." You need to brush-up on English verbs and articles.

You are obviously not a native English speaker, so therefore neither a Texan or Australian. That leads me to conclude you are not CPA. If you are not CPA, that only leaves PLA as a possible answer to my question.

You should hope your superiors do not ascertain how you were outed as a PLA troll.

... that's there.

The alleged presence around Alice Springs of what some claim is NSA and CIA listening posts must really grist your wheat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap

... a foreign business invested in an industry we'd be choking on the scent of burnt hair every minute of every day.

Secondly, explain how Chinese ownership of harbor facilities is the same as the US military being invited to whatever degree by the Australian government pursuant to a series of treaties and mutual defense agreements. Does the term 'false equivalency' ring a bell?

I do not know what your real point is. Maybe you just need to spit it out instead of dancing around it: what is your beef?

It's abundantly clear that you are not a native English speaker, so the "Texxas" thing is bogus and you are not an Australian.

So, are you PLA?

All bombs are weapons but not all weapons are bombs.

Someone interested in defense issues in the Pacific rim would be very familiar with the People's Liberation Army (PLA). The only such person who would deny knowledge of the acronym would by a PLA troll.

I hope you enjoyed your time on DU, I surely did.

... nuclear weapons on Austrailian soil against the will of Australia and the Australian people.

You overreach. You rat your own self out. Your "concern" is troubling in its insincerity.

English is a difficult second language.

Australia and the US have had for almost a century a series of treaties regarding self mutual defense, including SEATO, and it's successor organization, ANZUS. We are there, IF we are there with your conjectural nuclear weapons or not, to form an alliance to offset China.

Curiously, you don't want alleged US nuclear weapons in Australia, how would you feel about some Chinese nukes?

Why don't you want cooperation between the US and Australia? I have a feeling it's the same reason that Xi Jinping doesn't like it.

... in the China Sea?

You're being extremely disingenuous.

Look it up.

Do I smell pizza?

... US Nuclear weapons.

We are in Australia by invitation. China is the reason.

Are pretty useless in my opinion

... alleged US nuclear weapons in Australia?

... your argument assumes there is no economical benefit to producing nuclear weapons, and you're wrong. Nuclear weapons is a money making venture.

... even then you forget the uranium miners, the firms that make and sell tools, the steel workers, the truck drivers, the people who make those trucks and service them, the construction workers, the security and military personnel ..... You don't go to a nuclear weapon machine, drop your billions in and get one made by some mysterious outside force not of this world. Bombs don't make themselves, they don't appear spontaneously.

They show up as a piece of the GNP. People paid rent from it and made purchases from their income from it.

When are you going to get to the meat of your message?

Maybe Marx didn't consider nuclear weapons?

... building nuclear weapons - something the Chinese and the Russians are very good at. Why don't Chinese nuclear weapon scare you? Compare the standard of living for the average US citizen to that of China.

Your Marxist pals are the ones enslaving their people, building nuclear weapons they can afford at the sacrifice of a consumer market.

It's not the bomb that kills an economy, it's the political system.

Bombs are, unfortunately, part of the GNP - strongly denied or not.

Simply denying doesn't support any argument.

Did you get my pm?